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Want to guess why i hate Ni Cd and Li ion


 
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Geo-TH,In
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 1:03 pm    Post subject: Want to guess why i hate Ni Cd and Li ion Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Just look at the pic. I gave up on repairing batteries too.

Going to safely dispose of them tomorrow. Country has a place once a year to turn in Hazardous materials.

 
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 2:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Want to guess why i hate Ni Cd and Li ion Reply to specific post Reply with quote

LiIon is not as longlived as others I guess, but I've had 3, one died early, the other two are about 4.5 years old I think. While there may be drawbacks, when you use a tool for extended periods, the weight savings makes it worthwhile, IMO.

Of course, my Iphone is also about that age and is going strong.

And my little, extremely bright flashlight, is also LiIon only 3 years old, still good.

No battery lasts forever, and all types/brands turn out clunkers occasionally.

But I still prefer battery drills, sawsalls, and impacts to corded. And the lighter the better!
 
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Want to guess why i hate Ni Cd and Li ion Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I've never kept track of this, but imagine the number would be pennies. If one could track the number of minutes/hours each battery has worked in its lifetime, the cost would be in pennies per hour. Add in the convenience and ease of battery tools and the disgust and unhappy level should be low. I replaced a 14.4 battery years ago at the cost of 75$. That battery has worked diligently, been charged and recharged. The countless screws it has installed/removed and holes it has drilled really makes me think it was a great deal at 75$, even though I did not think so at the time. The only part of the battery drill/impact/sawzall etc equation is whether you just throw everything away and purchase a new kit instead of new batteries. Guess I'll just buy batteries til the tool is junk, then buy the kit. Its only money lol gobble
 
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 4:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Want to guess why i hate Ni Cd and Li ion Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I like to add wires to my old cordless tools and then run them off a battery from a vehicle, tractor or mower. Can even buy cheap lawnmower batteries that will last quite a while - or motorcycle batteries. Smaller batteries keep them portable, only not quite as portable as on-tool batteries.
 
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 6:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Want to guess why i hate Ni Cd and Li ion Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I too prefer battery drills, sawsalls, and impacts to corded. I just hate Dewalt batteries. I buy after market Ni-Mh batteries off ebay. The good ones last for years longer than Ni Cd and Li ions.
 
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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 5:40 am    Post subject: Re: Want to guess why i hate Ni Cd and Li ion Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It all depends on your actual use. NiCads are good if and only if the tool is used daily and hard. A tool that gets used once a month or less will ruin original NiCads very quickly. Remember the memory effect?

NiMh batteries were supposed to be the answer. And they were to a certain extent. But the memory thing still plagued some users.

I never liked either of them much. My tool usage is not predictable. I may not know I need it until the minute I want to use it. That is why LiIon batteries have been my lifesaver. They don't build a memory, and they will hold a charge for a very long time when they are not being used. Right now I have a 14.4 volt drill/driver set that resides in my pickup tool box. I have several batteries that fit both pieces. Any time I need them they are ready to go. I charge all of the batteries a couple of times a year. Yes, I have had some batteries go bad, after five or six years of use. Can't complain about that.
 
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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 5:44 am    Post subject: Re: Want to guess why i hate Ni Cd and Li ion Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The only battery-powered tool I like to keep on hand is a drill. Other than that, when I need a tool, I'll need it usually far longer than one or two batteries will last, so would prefer corded.
 
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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 2:53 am    Post subject: Re: Want to guess why i hate Ni Cd and Li ion Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have several Snapon impacts been great tools and have given good service and the batteries can be sent off to be rebuilt.Several of the batteries are around 10 years old and still doing fine.Buy quality and you own quality buy cheap and you have cheap.
 
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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 4:31 am    Post subject: Re: Want to guess why i hate Ni Cd and Li ion Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I also use snap-on for field work, run air in the shop, wife has a 18 volt Dewalt for the house. I agree with you Farmer buy cheap and you have junk
 
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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 5:01 am    Post subject: Re: Want to guess why i hate Ni Cd and Li ion Reply to specific post Reply with quote


The problem with any battery tool is that hey never last as long as you need. At lest it seems that way for me. I went through 3 batteries the other day just putting in some 3.5" screws to secure skids to a building. Thanks goodness I used the 1/4" impact and not the screwdriver! The impact works better. Cords are a pain too, but no where near the pain a dead battery is on a roof or under a building. I've completely given up in cordless sawzalls and skillsaws. For screws, they're okay. Anything else I haul out a lead cord!
 
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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 5:48 am    Post subject: Re: Want to guess why i hate Ni Cd and Li ion Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Ahh, the Good Ol' Days, back before cordless and portable ANYTHING! *lol*
 
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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 6:26 am    Post subject: Re: Want to guess why i hate Ni Cd and Li ion Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Geo-TH,In wrote:
(quoted from post at 14:03:20 05/19/17) Just look at the pic. I gave up on repairing batteries too.

Going to safely dispose of them tomorrow. Country has a place once a year to turn in Hazardous materials.


Those batteries look very similar to 18 volt Black and Decker. Apparently they are not intended to be rebuilt. I have a few that are going to just be trashed.
 
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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 12:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Want to guess why i hate Ni Cd and Li ion Reply to specific post Reply with quote

My Millwalkey 4-1/2" side grinder gave out yesterday.
I have an 18 volt Dewalt drill motor. I'm thinking of replacing the side grinder with a Dewalt 18 volt if they use the same battery.
Anyone have any experence with the Dewalt 18 volt grinder?

Dusty
 
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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 2:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Want to guess why i hate Ni Cd and Li ion Reply to specific post Reply with quote


I'd be very surprised if parts of any kind are interchangeable between Milwaukee and Dewalt.
 
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 6:20 am    Post subject: Re: Want to guess why i hate Ni Cd and Li ion Reply to specific post Reply with quote

timcasbolt wrote:
(quoted from post at 15:29:08 05/21/17)
I'd be very surprised if parts of any kind are interchangeable between Milwaukee and Dewalt.


On the other hand, maybe it is only the color and the brand name that are different. Everything inside might be the same.

I would like to think there is a big difference, but with so many things being assembled with "off the shelf" components, all made in China, who really knows?
 
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