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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:13 am    Post subject: Ford One Arm Loader Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have a Ford one arm loader that came mounted to my Ford 850 tractor. I removed it 16 years ago but now want to reinstall it. The ID tag is missing but I believe it to be a 722 because it is hydraulic dump. I bought a owner's manual for the 722 and it has instructions for installing on 601, 801, 2000 & 4000. My loader does not have a pump or spool valves, rather it uses the hydraulics from the tractor. My tractor has spool valves on the lift cover. Following install directions, in the manual, all is okay until I get to putting on the "Trunnion Rod" and "Loader-to-Rear Axle Brace". My loader does not have the WEBs that these items attach. I see the WEBs in the pictures in my manual and in pictures of other one arm loaders but they are not on mine and do not appear they ever have been. Is my loader a 722? Is the Trunnion Rod and Brace required as the manual states?
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:06 am    Post subject: Re: Ford One Arm Loader Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Sound like you have a 711 with a hydraulic dump bucket. Bar that
ran to the back was the later model. Do you have short box and
offset hip bracket or long box with flat hip bracket?
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:28 am    Post subject: Re: Ford One Arm Loader Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Kirk-NJ wrote:
(quoted from post at 11:06:11 12/05/17) Sound like you have a 711 with a hydraulic dump bucket. Bar that
ran to the back was the later model. Do you have short box and
offset hip bracket or long box with flat hip bracket?

It might be a 711 and it might be an early model, without the WEBs for the trunnion and brace. I do not know which parts are the "box" and "hip." Could they be what my manual calls the "Side Bracket" and "Transmission Strap"? I also do not have what the manual calls the "front strap" which seems to help hold up the left side of the "front plate."
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford One Arm Loader Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The box is on the frame where it attaches to the bracket. Measurement, top of box, from frame to end. 3 1/2"= short box. 5 1/2" long box. Side bracket, commonly called hip bracket. Offset will look like
the photo. The short box was made for later square nose model so they made the offset bracket to attach to the earlier models.





The left strap is easier made out of flat stock. The two top holes where it connects to the axle carrier are counter sunk and the same lug nuts that are used to secure your rear wheel are use to secure the
bracket to the axle carrier/ engine studs.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford One Arm Loader Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Kirk-NJ wrote:
(quoted from post at 15:43:13 12/05/17) The box is on the frame where it attaches to the bracket. Measurement, top of box, from frame to end. 3 1/2"= short box. 5 1/2" long box. Side bracket, commonly called hip bracket. Offset will look like
the photo. The short box was made for later square nose model so they made the offset bracket to attach to the earlier models.

<a href="https://imgur.com/6NB9L41"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/6NB9L41h.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>

<a href="https://imgur.com/yHxKnG7"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/yHxKnG7h.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>

The left strap is easier made out of flat stock. The two top holes where it connects to the axle carrier are counter sunk and the same lug nuts that are used to secure your rear wheel are use to secure the
bracket to the axle carrier/ engine studs.

Kirk


Thanks again. Especially for the pictures. I believe I have a long box. My hip bracket looks just like your picture. It has a part #291273. The strap at the left I will need to make. The short strap in the middle I have read goes from where the big strap (transmission strap) bolts to the transmission to the second transmission mounting hole. I think some spacers were also mentioned. I will need to make this one also. I wonder if I should arrange a brace from the rear axle to the web where the transmission strap attaches to the loader. How important do you think the loader to rear axle brace and trunnion is?
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford One Arm Loader Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Yes short bracket bolts under trans.
Spacers can be made from a piece of pipe for 5/8"
bolts
I have Four one arm loaders and don't have the
rear brace on any. I suppose it couldn't hurt to have
one if you wanted to make one up

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:06 am    Post subject: Re: Ford One Arm Loader Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-kirk-nj wrote:
(quoted from post at 00:27:44 12/06/17) Yes short bracket bolts under trans.
Spacers can be made from a piece of pipe for 5/8"
bolts
I have Four one arm loaders and don't have the
rear brace on any. I suppose it couldn't hurt to have
one if you wanted to make one up

Kirk

With the information you provided I think I am ready to get the loader on my tractor. I appreciate your taking the time to help.

Dave
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:36 am    Post subject: Re: Ford One Arm Loader Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If you have any more question just send me an email.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:34 am    Post subject: Re: Ford One Arm Loader Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Kirk-NJ wrote:
(quoted from post at 12:36:33 12/06/17) If you have any more question just send me an email.

Kirk


You are correct, my loader is a 711. I found a manual for the 711 on line and it looks like mine. The attachment kit does not include the trunnion or rear axle brace. And I have seen other posts which indicate the 711 can be mechanical (trip lever) dump or it can be hydraulic dump. Would you happen to have a dimensioned drawing of the front strap or know where one is posted. It looks like getting the 3 holes placed correctly could be tricky.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford One Arm Loader Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I'll check to see if I have one off the tractor for measurements
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:14 am    Post subject: Re: Ford One Arm Loader Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Give me a few days to look around for the strap. i have to check in a few places. As I get older I misplace a lot of things. I never was very well organized.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:49 am    Post subject: Re: Ford One Arm Loader Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Here are some measurements for the strap
If you can't make it out send me an email
Two top holes are 5/8" then countersunk so that two lug nuts are used
Bottom hole is 3/4"


 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:00 am    Post subject: Re: Ford One Arm Loader Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Kirk-NJ wrote:
(quoted from post at 10:49:44 12/12/17) Here are some measurements for the strap
If you can't make it out send me an email
Two top holes are 5/8" then countersunk so that two lug nuts are used
Bottom hole is 3/4"

<a href="https://imgur.com/C0xAUe6"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/C0xAUe6h.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>


Your drawing is just what I needed, it is perfect. I've decided to see what a local fab shop will charge to make the strap. The only thing I worry about now is removing the two nuts from the studs that hold the front support to the engine. I seem to have bad luck when it comes to removing nuts and bolts that have been in place for 60 years. Thanks again.

Dave
 
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