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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:40 am    Post subject: Re: hard to start withour either Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Ether is for dire emergencies , not for regular use.
Is there a block heater?
I'll ask a question that has never been answered here in 15+ years but will indicate if there is a battery, cable , starter and slow cranking rpm problem. " What is the voltage measured while cranking between the main battery cable stud on the starter and the starter body" ?
As previously stated, check the valve lash and injection pump timing.
Are you holding the clutch down while cranking?
Which make and model of a 4000 ?
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:29 am    Post subject: Re: hard to start withour either Reply to specific post Reply with quote

One overdose of ether will break the top rings & it will need ether to start every time after that.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:11 am    Post subject: Re: hard to start withour either Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You can ADVANCE it, NO MORE than 2* [1 line]
Rotate it OPPOSITE the arrow on the name plate.
IF it doesn't help, move it back.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:32 am    Post subject: Re: hard to start withour either Reply to specific post Reply with quote


clockwise or counter clockwise?

thanks

Mo
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:34 am    Post subject: Re: hard to start withour either Reply to specific post Reply with quote

operators manuals for a couple of my Cat diesels recommends a small shot of either (2 sec max)to help starting when cold out, but says never to use ether if you have glow plugs
One dozer has an ether injection system built in with a push button to operate it.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:38 am    Post subject: Re: hard to start withour either Reply to specific post Reply with quote

John Deere put automatic ether-injection systems on some machines. Automatically injects ether when it gets below a
certain temp. Having it certainly did not void warranty considering it was a Deere option, factory installed. It is what
is called "moderation" I guess. My point being not just used in emergencies. Normal to use in extreme cold in DI engines
when no electric is available to run a block heater. That are an expensive propane-fired, or diesel-fired block heater.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:18 pm    Post subject: Re: hard to start withour either Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-JDEM wrote:
(quoted from post at 13:38:55 12/06/17) John Deere put automatic ether-injection systems on some machines. Automatically injects ether when it gets below a
certain temp. Having it certainly did not void warranty considering it was a Deere option, factory installed. It is what
is called "moderation" I guess. My point being not just used in emergencies. Normal to use in extreme cold in DI engines
when no electric is available to run a block heater. That are an expensive propane-fired, or diesel-fired block heater.


A controlled metered factory installed ether system is not frustated Bubba hand bombing a can of ether. While in a hurry trying to start a balky diesel that should have had the block heater plugged in.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:37 pm    Post subject: Re: hard to start withour either Reply to specific post Reply with quote

My vote is the injectors not spraying a fine enough spray.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:42 pm    Post subject: Re: hard to start withour either Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Ether helps get ME get going in the AM...!!
 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:49 pm    Post subject: Re: hard to start withour either Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I second the starter just went through it with a 4500. Send your starter out to a good shop they will tell you what the condition is.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:25 pm    Post subject: Re: hard to start withour either Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-JDEM wrote:
(quoted from post at 10:38:55 12/06/17) John Deere put automatic ether-injection systems on some machines. Automatically injects ether when it gets below a
certain temp. Having it certainly did not void warranty considering it was a Deere option, factory installed. It is what
is called "moderation" I guess. My point being not just used in emergencies. Normal to use in extreme cold in DI engines
when no electric is available to run a block heater. That are an expensive propane-fired, or diesel-fired block heater.


Many Fords came factory equipped with ether injection as did my 2003 4900i International with C-15 Cat.
 
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