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169c.i.d. I.H. engine in Joy air compressor


 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:53 pm    Post subject: 169c.i.d. I.H. engine in Joy air compressor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Folks, I just drug in a Joy Brand 150 cfm compressor with a 169 c.i. 4 cylinder I.H. engine, as far as I can puzzle out the same as a Scout 800 engine. Other than blowing out the dust and critter nests, I haven't started in on it, but am sure I will be into the motor some. The distributor (It has a factory I.H. electronic ignition module) was removed years ago, but I found it laying in one of the toolboxes, so there is hope. The fuel pump was disconnected,and there are a couple of obvious hot wire attempts at bypassing the ignition. It appears that someone inflicted a brief, chaotic,furious,and unsuccessful troubleshooting attempt, then gave up.
Questions:
Should I just buy a Scout service manual, or try to find specific industrial engine specs?
Did I.H use the same nomenclature for this as the tractor engines, as in C169?
I don't suppose any of you would have any Joy G150S service data I could purchase???? (hey, a guy can dream,....)
Any favored vendors for 169 engine parts?
Any tips specific to this engine that has been dormant for decades?

Thanks for any and all help. Jeff
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:16 pm    Post subject: Re: 169c.i.d. I.H. engine in Joy air compressor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Sorry about that, I was thinking of my utility. This guy has a 196 cubic inch engine.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:30 pm    Post subject: Re: 169c.i.d. I.H. engine in Joy air compressor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Your 196 is simply half of a 392 IH gas V8. And basic tune-up or OH "specs" for a 392 should work for your half-a 392.

IH used some really weird Holley E.I.'s that it's tough to get parts for now.

It would be interesting if you can post photos of the distributor and EI module, I probably have schematics I could scan and forward to you, if, in fact, it's a Holley system

Or, there's possibly a "workaround" if the pickup coil or module are bad.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: 169c.i.d. I.H. engine in Joy air compressor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Bob, I will shoot images tomorrow. Thanks for your help, jeff
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:59 am    Post subject: Re: 169c.i.d. I.H. engine in Joy air compressor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If I'm not mistaken it's literally half of a 392 engine. Really, the V8 block with one bank of cylinders unceremoniously lopped off.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:51 pm    Post subject: Re: 169c.i.d. I.H. engine in Joy air compressor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Here are shots of the distributor tag and the distributor. The ignition module is a gold box with four wires leading to a molded connector, I will try to get a shot of it when I am near the compressor. From the numbers, I gather it may be a Holley distributor,but please advise if this is incorrect. Given the evidence (coil hanging loose, EI hanging off with a sheetrock screw, loose grounds,....) I am tempted to pull the ignition components and do some bench testing. There may be nothing wrong with them. All comments and help welcome. jeff








 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:52 am    Post subject: Re: 169c.i.d. I.H. engine in Joy air compressor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

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(quoted from post at 16:51:19 01/11/1Cool Here are shots of the distributor tag and the distributor. The ignition module is a gold box with four wires leading to a molded connector, I will try to get a shot of it when I am near the compressor. From the numbers, I gather it may be a Holley distributor,but please advise if this is incorrect. Given the evidence (coil hanging loose, EI hanging off with a sheetrock screw, loose grounds,....) I am tempted to pull the ignition components and do some bench testing. There may be nothing wrong with them. All comments and help welcome. jeff

Yes, that appears to be a Holley EI. MAY work, if you can get it wired up properly, remind me to scan and post a diagram.

OR, I'm not always a Pertronix fan, but for the V8 versions of that setup they have a unit that mounts in the distributor in place of the Holley HE ignition pickup and replaces the wiring harness and the $$$ and sometimes failure-prone "gold box".

It would be worth calling them to see if they can supply a version for your 4-cylinder (would require a different "magnet ring".

If I forget to post back, you can email me, bigcoulee@hotmail.com.



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