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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:52 am    Post subject: Flywheel RPMs for a W 140 Case bailert Reply to specific post Reply with quote

My 1950 Case W 140 wont tie. I kinda think its that the wire cutters aren't working. The wire keeps winding around the twister hooks and the shafts that hold them.
I was wondering if the bailer was ment to be run at a specific RPM. It has an Case air cooled engine on it which I always run as fast as it will go.
IF it IS supposed to be run at a specific RPM, how would I know when I reached that speed?
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:18 am    Post subject: Re: Flywheel RPMs for a W 140 Case bailert Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Speed is not your problem.

Are you using baling wire (special stuff just for wire balers)? Are you oiling the wire? Are the twister hooks smooth/polished. Are the twister hooks worn out with deep grooves. Wire has to pass thru smoothly.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:38 am    Post subject: Re: Flywheel RPMs for a W 140 Case bailert Reply to specific post Reply with quote


I agree with Roger that one needs to add oil to baling wire. Do twister shafts have a groove worn in them?
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:36 am    Post subject: Re: Flywheel RPMs for a W 140 Case bailert Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Look at your wire.It should be a clean slice where it is cut. If not,there is your problem. The anvil and knife get worn,they get grooved and wont cut the wire. Instead it tears/breaks it.And then it wraps it around the twister.Look closely for grooveing.There should be NO MORE than 1/2 the diameter of the wire gap between the knife nd anvil. A good rub (zero gap) is even better.RPM makes absolutely no difference.As was said,OIL is your friend. Dump a full quart on each coil when you put it in the baler. Reoil at each cutting or if it sets for any length of time.Used oil is acceptable.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Flywheel RPMs for a W 140 Case bailert Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I don't have experience with a w140 but spent a lot of summers behind a 133 Case and the manual recommended 60 plunger strokes per minute and we found running faster led to a skipped/bad knot once in a while.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Flywheel RPMs for a W 140 Case bailert Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Ive got/had oil on the wire for years. Im using made for bailing hay bailing wire, Twister hooks are smooth. What is a deep groove? There are none but possibly at the inside point where the hook becomes the part around the shaft.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:38 am    Post subject: Re: Flywheel RPMs for a W 140 Case bailert Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Dad bought a 133 Case brand new. Ran the DC Case at 540 rpm, 60 spm, and the 133 seldom missed a bale. Many summers also. Stored it in a shed at Grandpas.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:51 am    Post subject: Re: Flywheel RPMs for a W 140 Case bailert Reply to specific post Reply with quote

In the bottom of the twister hook, wire wears into it and causes a narrower groove. The wire then hangs up in the groove. Normal groove does not grab or hang up the wire, but lets the wire slide as the bale pulls the wire away from the hook and shaft.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:52 am    Post subject: Re: Flywheel RPMs for a W 140 Case bailert Reply to specific post Reply with quote

No knots on a wire tie baler.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Flywheel RPMs for a W 140 Case bailert Reply to specific post Reply with quote

How do I tell how much of a groove is normal and how much is too much?
 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:08 am    Post subject: Re: Flywheel RPMs for a W 140 Case bailert Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Perhaps your operators manual shows how to check. JD used a drill bit shank, but don't know what size of bit, to check the hooks. It was either a numbered drill or lettered drill and I don't remember which. It was NOT a usual fraction drill.
 
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