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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Can any you iron out the wrinkle Im having understanding this part?
NOTE: If the knives cut the wires before or after twister hooks have rotated 1-5/8 to 1-3/4 max turns, fine adjustment must be made by loosening the 3 bolts on the cam drive sprocket and rotating the cam. Rotate the cam clockwise to advance the cutting or counter-clockwise to retard the cutting of the wire. Tighten the three cam drive sprocket adjusting bolts after obtaining the proper adjustment.
Does that mean the wires have to cut EXACTLY at those mesurments?
 
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote


On all small wire tie square(rectangular) balers I've repaired or operated the wire was cut(providing the gripping/cutting parts weren't worn out) at basically the same time then the twister hooks twisted the wires together IE wire is gripped/cut before twister hooks began moving. At pto speed this happens before naked eye can comprehend what's transpiring.
HTH's,Jim .
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote


I took off the cutting mech. Ran 4 wires through each of the cutting systems. All worked/cut flawlessly.
Think Ive got the twister hooks in the right position. Tomorrow, ill try to time them up together after putting the cutting mech back on.








 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Congratulations: Sounds as if you're making progress.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote

At 70, my mind forgets some things. I KNOW, that when the wire needles bring in the wire, they leave it there in a U. It gets cut, which kinda/sorta makes it into 2 pieces, a J and a I. I know that one of those pieces is held in the anvil/Grip/vice/whatever, and that wire forms the front part of the bale. What happens to the other piece???
ALSO, IF Im right, I have to trip the tie mech before I start bailing, so as to have 2 pieces in place as the bale is pushed down the chamber. Right?. Don't laugh. As dad said to me several times, Youll find out when you get there LOL.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:14 am    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Actually on a baler that has no hay already in chamber & I install new boxes of wire I prefer just to let tying system cycle normally so 1st hay with wire around it will be a bale that should be tied correctly & hopefully dense enough for bale to remain tied together.

The wire the needles bring up to tying system with the "U" is then held in the gripper then as hay is fed into chamber the hay pushes this wire back & around the forming bale then at set bale length needle brings wire from bottom of chamber to tying system. The straight end of "U" IE other end of wire around bale after knife cuts it.
HTH's,Jim

I'll ask once again to please call me on the phone as I can talk much better/easier than I can type. That is the reason I emailed you my phone #. PS: I'm not laughing at you just trying to help you understand how a sq baler utilizing wire operates.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:42 am    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Jim, My problem is, im 70. I was in a 105 Artillery battery in Nam in 68, and I cant hear on phones much anymore. Sorry.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:31 am    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The Bailer book I got says (Check crimp in each wire. Loosen or tighten top set screw above each knife, IF NECESSARY to adjust wire crimp)
(Repeat process in upper position on both knives. Use bottom set screws to adjust wire crimp)
Rotate the camshaft clockwise until both wires have been crimped and released.).
WELL
I tried it to check the crimp. It didn't crimp the wires, it didn't release the wires until it had cut them.
SO
In this situation, How do I adjust the set screws?
 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:01 am    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Farmallb wrote:
(quoted from post at 09:42:16 03/13/18) Jim, My problem is, im 70. I was in a 105 Artillery battery in Nam in 68, and I cant hear on phones much anymore. Sorry.


I understand not hearing very well as I'm 73. Thank You for your military service.

The wire is supposed to be gripped simultaneously as it's cut & not released until next bale is formed. My knowledge on adjusting those screws on the grippers isn't very much good because JD sq balers that I recieved my sq baler training on has springs not screws.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:16 am    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I should point out that the wire never bent at all. it just cut with the wire remaining straight.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:45 am    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote


If the wire that is supposed to be held in gripper remains straight IE no crimp in the end then check grippers for grooves.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:43 am    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Will do. Thanks.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:27 am    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If youll look at the pics of the wire cutter, youll notice that its mounted on a steel plate. I took part of the cutter system off and noticed 2 notches in the plate, and one side of each notch was grooved.
I don't know if the platre was put there to hold the cutter mech, OR it was notched cause they needed the extra room to get the wire through.
OR BOTH lol.
Im going to have it welded up, level and the same distance in the gap, and go from there. Id like to have it welded with an Adams hard Face rod, but I doubt if that will happen. Anyway its done, I imagine that the weld will last ME what ive got yet to do on 6 acres, once a year.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:38 am    Post subject: Re: Finding a vid on bailer wire tie mech Reply to specific post Reply with quote


You're correct as there should be no notch in grippers or knives
 
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