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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:46 am    Post subject: Rivets or Bolt on sickles Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I know this has been discussed many times but I like using the bolts over rivets hands down but my question is changing over to bolts some or most of the holes or a little to big to hold the bolts while tightening the nuts and a screwdriver isnt working so would it work if I tack weld the bolts on the bar? Only thing is when I change them out in the field it will difficult changing the bolt if it breaks or is there another way to do it,thanks for any advice
 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:02 am    Post subject: Re: Rivets or Bolt on sickles Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If the holes are too big for bolts,then the sickle bar is worn.Only way to remedy the spinning bolts is to replace the bar.Or buy a complete new sickle.Most new sickles these days come with bolts instead of rivets.There is a hand held sickle rivet tool that actually makes rivet changing pretty easy.I have one,used it a lot till I bought a new sickle with bolts. Never weld the bolt to the bar...What happens when the bolt breaks,or you twist it off?Stay with rivets till you get a new sickle.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:04 am    Post subject: Re: Rivets or Bolt on sickles Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I still use rivets, so I'm not the guy to ask, but I thought the section bolts were sort of knurled to grip the inside of the bar holes.

I wouldn't weld them to the bar - I'd think that would cause more trouble than using rivets.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:04 am    Post subject: Re: Rivets or Bolt on sickles Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Never used bolts and don't expect to ever do anymore work like that. That said if either bolt or rivet is loose in hole in bar the bar is shot and neither will stay tight. And weld hole shut and redrill it you will not get the hole in the exact spot it needs.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:23 am    Post subject: Re: Rivets or Bolt on sickles Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I don't remember,but can you buy bolts with a larger shank? I know they have ribs on them that draw in to the hole,what I don't remember is if some have larger ribs.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:37 am    Post subject: Re: Rivets or Bolt on sickles Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The advantage of rivets is that the entire rivet expands when you head it. Holes with normal wear are not a problem. I use rivets on cutter bars that are easy to get in and out. The long ones get bolts.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:01 am    Post subject: Re: Rivets or Bolt on sickles Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Get a better screw driver I?ve ran into this a lot and I just the biggest flat blade with short handle I?ve got then push up hard on from the bottom and screw the nut down tight with a 1/4 inch ratchet I?ve never had a section come loose yet . Both my swather and mower have rivets they aren?t to hard to deal with I didn?t think
 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:29 am    Post subject: Re: Rivets or Bolt on sickles Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I tried the bolts on a couple of sections on my 1207 and they would not clear the hold downs. Now I have a whole set of bolts I can't use.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:50 am    Post subject: Re: Rivets or Bolt on sickles Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You can buy higher hold downs that will clear the bolt. I"d never go back to rivets.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:29 am    Post subject: Re: Rivets or Bolt on sickles Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have had them where the rivit did not expand, after a second or third I did get one in tight.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:42 am    Post subject: Re: Rivets or Bolt on sickles Reply to specific post Reply with quote

nhbalerman call rowse rakes in burwall neb. and they will send you a new comlete sickle assembly for about $80.00 that includes new bar, sections, and knife head. you can't buy the parts and build it for that, never mind your time.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:36 am    Post subject: Re: Rivets or Bolt on sickles Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks for all the advice i am going to try that place and price them until then i will try a bigger screwdriver
 
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Rivets or Bolt on sickles Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I'd never go back to rivets.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Rivets or Bolt on sickles Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I changed my combine to bolts. Will never use rivets again.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 1:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Rivets or Bolt on sickles Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I used to change them in the field with a baby sledge and small hydraulic jack that had top grinded so it would fit between the guards. I now have one of those tools that presses out and presses in the rivet with hand tools. I have used the bolts and the hydraulic jack pushes the bolt in while you tighten the nut. The bolts are easier but if you have a wallered out hole a rivet will fill the void.
 
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