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Ford 3000 ID and a shifting issue?


 
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:25 pm    Post subject: Ford 3000 ID and a shifting issue? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I just bought a ford 3000 that are believed to be a 1968 model. The serial number begins with an a. From everything I find this means it was manufactured in Belgium. I find that hard to believe. It has the 8-speed tranny and live PTO. Not sure about the diff lock yet. I'll get some pics up as soon as I can.

The numbers are:

6J27C
J286
A141-855

It has a shift issue where the shifter comes out of the shift forks and jams up. It has the stamped steel shift plate. The fellow I bought it from said he was told that the shifter plate assembly was worn and needs replacing. Anybody have experience with this? I've searched and searched and haven't found anything posted about a similar issue.

It jammed up on him when he was trying to back it off the trailer, but he was snatching and jerking the shifter when it happened and he had the shifter plate bolted on loosely like he'd just pulled it off and had just started the bolts in the holes. I pulled the plate off and got it lined back up. The end of the shifter and the shift forks don't look too bad to me. I haven't had time to mess with it much yet, but in the short time I've messed with it, if you're careful and shift it gently it does OK.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 3000 ID and a shifting issue? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

ID numbers:

[img]http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=70347&stc=1&d=1531283829[/img][/img]
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 3000 ID and a shifting issue? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Well, looks like I don't know how to post a pic and editing is disabled.....

I'll try again.

http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=70347&stc=1&d=1531283829
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 3000 ID and a shifting issue? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

AND again.......
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 3000 ID and a shifting issue? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Got it.

So, can someone tell me what these two levers are?


 
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 3000 ID and a shifting issue? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Congratulations, Those are the controls for a dual spool remote hydraulic valve. You can control 2 hydraulic circuits (2 lines each) with those 2 levers.
You can see one set of lines to the left of the valve in your picture.
HTH Keith
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 3000 ID and a shifting issue? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I believe this to be a common issue. As the shifters wear, the balls on the end pop out of place.
Some people weld them us and grind them into shape. If you want new, I believe that the parts are readily available.
This site has the shifters for $85.56. Look under Drive train parts for a 3000. you may also need a gasket.

http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/Ford-3000_Shifter-Assembly-Stamped-Steel_S66211LG.html

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:05 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 3000 ID and a shifting issue? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Is not the small lever draft/position control?
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 4:06 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 3000 ID and a shifting issue? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The A141-855 is a serial number. The A at the beginning says that it was assembled at the plant in Antwerp Belgium.

6J27C and J286 both appear to be date codes. They apppear ot be 1966 date codes. My guess would be that the transmission was assembled on June 27 and the tractor was assembled on June 28, or possibly it was near the end of the assembly line late on June 27 and got stamped with that date, but it didn't actually get finished until the next day so they stamped it again.

There should be an additional number stamped farther up into the rough part of the casting that would be the model number, but on those early European thousand series models they didn't always have all of the numbers and some were in the wrong place, like on the flat spot on the left hand side of the tractor instead of the right side.

CVPost-Johnofnewhaven wrote:
(quoted from post at 07:05:58 07/11/1Cool Is not the small lever draft/position control?


Yes, I am pretty sure that you are correct. The smaller one is the draft/position control selector lever. The larger one appears to be the handle for a single spool remote valve that controls a single hydraulic circuit that is a double acting circuit. Although it may be a dual spool remote valve with the second handle missing. I would have to see it from another angle to be sure.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:04 am    Post subject: Re: Ford 3000 ID and a shifting issue? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You are correct!
Single spool lever in right of picture and the draft/position control lever on the left.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 3000 ID and a shifting issue? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

"J" is the code for ninth month. They did not use "I".
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Ford 3000 ID and a shifting issue? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-IanC wrote:
(quoted from post at 16:59:35 07/11/1Cool "J" is the code for ninth month. They did not use "I".


Yes, I should have typed September instead of June. I don't know where my brain is half the time these days.
 
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