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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:54 am    Post subject: allis wc or wd Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Ive been thinking about building a wc or wd to pull lite..1st questions which tractor is better to start with wc or wd? And will a wd45 crank fit in both of them to gain 1/2 of stroke? Which hd do i want to use wc..wd or wd45? Thanks
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:03 am    Post subject: Re: allis wc or wd Reply to specific post Reply with quote

the wc is a little easier to get light but a lot of people are messed up by the hand brakes. i would start with a wd or wd45.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:42 am    Post subject: Re: allis wc or wd Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If you plan on building a more mild engine using similar to stock components, stick with a WD. The gear ration is much better especially if you plan on running 38" tires. The motor parts from the WC WD WD45 all interchange other than early heads on later blocks.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:20 am    Post subject: Re: allis wc or wd Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I would start with a WD45 they are .6 mph slower than a WD in low gear at 2000 rpm. 4.2 with 15.5X38 tires. Then put a early D17 ring and pinion or a WD45 diesel, in it and you are 3.6. at 2000. Almost the same as a WC with RC ring and pinion. But the RC gears are a lot harder to find than the D17. Or just start with a D17 to start with. The old ones are about the same price, and all you would have to do is take things off. If you get really serious there shouldn't be but 100 lbs difference. Vic
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:36 am    Post subject: Re: allis wc or wd Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I guess that I"m the spoiler here. My vote goes to the WC, but I"ll freely admit that I do have a serious WC bias, because I"ve had so much success with my WC pullers. When you say that you want to pull lite...how lite? We"ve pulled a styled WC at 3,000 lbs. without doing anything extreme to get there. It"s a lot more involved getting a WD or WD45 that lite. Kip
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:12 pm    Post subject: Re: allis wc or wd Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Id like to beable to get into 3 or 3500...all my jds pull 5500 and up..ive got a line on a wd that needs motor job..and ive got a chance to buy a wd45 motor...i was thinking about putting 45 crank in wd with 4.125 over bore kit..maybe a little hd work..38in tires...what do you guys think it would make for hp and do u think it would pull good?
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:33 pm    Post subject: Re: allis wc or wd Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Is there any diff in wd and wd45 head is one better than other...should i just put 45 crank in wd or rebuild complete wd45 motor and put it in wd?
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:59 pm    Post subject: Re: allis wc or wd Reply to specific post Reply with quote

id splurge a little for an offset grind to 4.875 stroke with 4.125 pistons. you will make 60-65 hp depending on your setup and will have plenty of power past the weight that an allis likes.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:06 pm    Post subject: Re: allis wc or wd Reply to specific post Reply with quote

With offset grind.. what rods would i use?
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:19 pm    Post subject: Re: allis wc or wd Reply to specific post Reply with quote

wd45 diesel rods or the buda 262 rods if you are offset grinding to 2"
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:27 pm    Post subject: Re: allis wc or wd Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Are the rods hard to find?
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:39 pm    Post subject: Re: allis wc or wd Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I got mine from a place in pennsylvania called wengers check out their website
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:35 pm    Post subject: Re: allis wc or wd Reply to specific post Reply with quote

not sure how hard the rods will be to find but the bushings for the flattop pistons will probably have to be made. couldnt find any when i built my wd45 in 08.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:44 pm    Post subject: Re: allis wc or wd Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If you have a 45 crank, which is 4.5 and you just stroke it to 5.0 you don't need to change anything. It will just push your piston up 1/4 of a inch. HAPI at Terre Haute In. will stroke your crank for 800 and there turn-around a month ago was 1 week. If you still want them, we have some 262 rods. Vic
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:24 pm    Post subject: Re: allis wc or wd Reply to specific post Reply with quote

vic what do you want for rods? emails open
 
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