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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:07 pm    Post subject: growling 3 point Reply to specific post Reply with quote

When I lift the 3 point on my 8n it growls. Oil level is ok. Any ideas what it might be ? thanks.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:33 pm    Post subject: Re: growling 3 point Reply to specific post Reply with quote

70 years of wear inthe pump.

many of them knock a bit.. worry more when it quits groaning and knocking. Smile
 
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:03 pm    Post subject: Re: growling 3 point Reply to specific post Reply with quote

My guess , its time to do a medical examination of all internal working parts . After all these years of active service it probably needs a couple new parts & special TLC . I'm not as old as it is , but my joints have caused me lots of moaning for years . Get yourself a good repair manual & study before tearing into it . Also find a strong friend to assist with the lifting . If you are anything like me , I hate waiting & letting it get any worse & then leave me tractor-less . Zane made a repair kit for the 8n lifts . You can probably find him over on the n tractor klub site . Good luck & God bless , Ken
 
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:12 pm    Post subject: Re: growling 3 point Reply to specific post Reply with quote

i doubt the problem will be in the top end...
 
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:23 pm    Post subject: Re: growling 3 point Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Growl or more like a knocking?
Knock, knock, knock get worse with heavy loads?
I have one with a worn pump that sounds like this.
I've had it about 6 years.
Previous owner said it had done this for the 20 years he'd owned it.
It only gets used for driveway grading and gardening, so it gets used.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:36 pm    Post subject: Re: growling 3 point Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I agree-not gonna be top end at all..
 
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:39 pm    Post subject: Re: growling 3 point Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I agree-Dad"s has knocked some for years especially after driving 7 miles to do deer plots.Let her knock unless it gets really loud..If really loud, dig in and fix it before it slings apart and does other damage.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:45 pm    Post subject: Re: growling 3 point Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It's more of a growling noise then a knock. I have a 6 ft. blade on it but the 3 point doesn't have any down pressure. Are these N's supposed to have down pressure ?
 
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:35 pm    Post subject: Re: growling 3 point Reply to specific post Reply with quote

GP Hansen wrote:
(quoted from post at 19:45:45 03/31/13) It's more of a growling noise then a knock. I have a 6 ft. blade on it but the 3 point doesn't have any down pressure. Are these N's supposed to have down pressure ?

No they do not have down pressure.
Most 3 pt hitches do not unless they are aftermarket setups.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:24 pm    Post subject: Re: growling 3 point Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Are you shure it's not coming for the trans. Does the sound seem to go away or get loader when the clutch is in or out?
 
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:40 am    Post subject: Re: growling 3 point Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Come to think of it , it is quiet when I push the clutch in. With the 3 pt. down there is less growling. When I raise it up the growling is loud.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: growling 3 point Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Since you have to have the pto running while the 3pt operates might be a bearing. Try it without putting the pto on (I know it won't lift)and press the clutch to see if there's any noise.

Kirk
 
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:22 pm    Post subject: Re: growling 3 point Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The noise quits when it's out of pto. Is this a top end fix ?
 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:10 am    Post subject: Re: growling 3 point Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It could be the bearing in where the shifter fork is to engage the pto is or possibly the bearing on the end off the pto shaft. You can try to take a piece of garden hose and put one end to your ear and the other end, with PTO engaged, to the side of the case near the trans than try near the where the pto shaft comes out. The sound might be hard to tell but you may hear it louder in one spot than the other. I know that it may look dumb to poeple watching and isn't very HiTech but it does work.
The bearing at the pto shifter rail section will involve a split. It might be possible to drop the pump and try to remove it from there but I have never done it that way so I can't say for sure. The one at the end of the pto shaft is an EZ fix just pull the shaft and replace the bearing.
Also if you've been out brushogging and hit sometime you may have bent the pto shaft which could also cause the bearings to wear faster. If you do take out the pto shaft check it in case it's not straight.
You can check your FO4 manual for the pto parts I talked about.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:07 am    Post subject: Re: growling 3 point Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks, I get out my joe magee stethoscope and see what I can hear.
 
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