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AZ GARY
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:37 am    Post subject: JD 314 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I'm trying move a 314 garden tractor that hasn't run for at least a year. We couldn't get it started and was going to push it out and load. We couldn't get the hydro to release. We turned the knob in front of the seat maybe two turns and it seemed to stop. It turned hard and had to use channel locks on it. About how many turns does it take to release the hydro? If the seat safety switch is still connected will that keep the engine from turning over or will it turn over and not start? You can see I'm new to this model tractor
 
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:19 am    Post subject: Re: JD 314 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

more than likely the two valves that the plate that is connect to the knob pushes down are stuck , have to fender deck to get to them, if pushed down it will free wheel , good luck
 
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:52 pm    Post subject: Re: JD 314 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Put a furniture dolly under it so you don't damage the transaxle.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:43 pm    Post subject: Re: JD 314 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

DO NOT move it (with the rear wheels turning), especially if it has sat for a while and the swashplate and other parts in the hydro are dry of oil, or you will KILL it!

Even when they have run recently and the "free-wheeling valve" works as intended, pushing them more than a VERY short distance will KILL them!
 
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:58 pm    Post subject: Re: JD 314 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks for the information. I didn't realize moving them in the free wheeling mode would hurt it. The book doesn't say anything about not doing it for wery far. How many turns does it take to get the buttons pushed to release? I moved it less than 2 turns not knowing at that time anything about the machine. I only need to go about 40 feet.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:24 pm    Post subject: Re: JD 314 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

put a floor jack under it and use it as a dolly will work too.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: JD 314 Reply to specific post Reply with quote


IMHO, I would NOT consider rolling that tractor even 40 feet.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:26 am    Post subject: Re: JD 314 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Is this from real experience or something you read? I've pull hydros all over the place with no problem just need to pull them slow can't imagine ever being able to push one fast enough to hurt it.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 7:07 am    Post subject: Re: JD 314 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Yes. Last one was a customer"s DEERE 420. Daughter ran it out of gas at the end of his lane, just before dark. Didn"t want to go to town for gas, and didn"t want it by the road overnight, so they towed it 50 or 75 feet. Quote @ DEERE was over $1500, I did it with used parts for quite a bit less. Wait "til you smoke one, you won"t want to try it again!
 
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:06 am    Post subject: Re: JD 314 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If you already owned the floor jack it would be good, but it's a lot heavier and more expensive than a furniture dolly.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:37 am    Post subject: Re: JD 314 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Pretty stupid with a Deere 420 and wonder if you know what you're talking about as a 420 does NOT have a hydo release as it has a neutral in the rear between high and low range to make it free wheel and it can be towed or pushed no problem.You sound like a BSer to me.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:04 am    Post subject: Re: JD 314 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Call me whatever makes you feel better.

Bottom line is, if a Sundstrand hydro of that type has sat for any length of time, the oil has drained away from the hydraulic motor's "slippers" and swashplate and you can't move them very far before permanent damage is done.

WHY rick that?
 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:15 am    Post subject: Re: JD 314 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

So in other words the story about the 420 was totally made up.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 10:54 am    Post subject: Re: JD 314 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

No, Trad, it wasn't "made up". It DID happen and I repaired it. About ten years have passed and I MAY be wrong and it could have been a 400.

ANYHOW, it was a Deere tractor of that size, he towed it the length of his driveway after it was run out of gas, and the hydro motor piston "slippers" and swashplate were completely ruined/galled/blued from lack of lube.

In the Operator's Manuals, they state NOT to move these machines any great distance at all with the engines NOT running, and that is what I am stating. What the HE77 is your beef with me?

Am I wrong in cautioning someone asgainst doing something that will likely RUIN his tractor????
 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:07 pm    Post subject: Re: JD 314 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Well Bob my Beef is you're spouting a bunch a stuff you obviously have no first hand knowledge about.A 400 also has a neutral between the high/low in the rear so it too has NO release on the hydro because it doesn't need one and it can be pushed or towed no problem.I have personally pushed and towed (slowly) Ariens,Simplcitys and other garden tractors with no neutral but with a
hydro release with no ill effects whatso ever.
 
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