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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:08 pm    Post subject: Desperate for an engine part .... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

My friend was in the middle of an engine rebuild over a year ago on a 120 cubic inch engine from an Oliver 60 Std. This would be the early version of the engine, probably early 40's. He then had to put it on the backburner and then eventually had to move locations for his shop. He's back into the rebuild and he is missing one critial part and he has turned all his stuff upside down and inside out but it's disappeared. It is what might be described as the timing gear "spacer casting" that bolts onto the front of the engine block, proably 1" thick or so and cast iron. Once that is in place, then the actual tin timing gear cover is bolted in place to it (that plate part he has). Any leads as to a supplier or individual that might be contacted and would be willing to sell him what he needs?
 
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Desperate for an engine part .... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

check on eBay, there are 2 60s being parted out a 41 and 46. maybe you can contact these guys and get the part you are looking for. chuck
 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:20 am    Post subject: Re: Desperate for an engine part .... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

O. K. I did not recall a 60 engine like that and we have a couple at work nor do I remember 60 engines like that when I worked for the dealer 50 years ago. I looked in my parts book and this plate you are talking about is not shown. What is the serial number of the engine (stamped in the block) and the serial number of the tractor which is on the plate attached to the block.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Desperate for an engine part .... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Serial number on the brass engine tag is 411499 .... so that's the tractor serial number is it?
 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Desperate for an engine part .... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Yes that is a the serial number. Now it is a late tractor as fas as the model 60 goes. My parts book is a 1948 version and we have a 1948 block on the overhaul stand. Neither the block or the parts book shows this spacer plate. On the front of the left side the engine serial number is stamped in the block. What is the engine serial number of your block and do you have apicture of your block?
 
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Desperate for an engine part .... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have 2 complete 60s would be happy to try and find the part. Can check 1st of week. Ron
 
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Desperate for an engine part .... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Sorry, that is the engine brass tag number on a salvage Cockshutt 60 std that is sitting here, not the same engine exactly. Like you say from that brass tag number I already gave, it's a later made tractor than the Oliver with the missing engine part.

The two engines, in addition to being different with regards to the Oliver having this spacer that is necessary (and the Cockshutt 60 not having the spacer but the block unit is whole without a spacer) .... the two blocks are actually different in size. For example, the Oliver engine (earlier one) is taller from the block's pan surface to the top surface where the head bolts down. They are also differnt in overall length from the clutch housing flange to the front of the engine block. Both are definitely model 60 engines, one from an Oliver and one from a Cockshutt.

I have no brass s/n tag on the Oliver engine block (that needs the spacer). But here are some casting numbers from both ....

OLIVER (needs spacer) - 180220E
IL100B

COCKSHUTT (no spacer) - 160120E
Alloy 211
CWC
ENG. S
 
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Desperate for an engine part .... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You said: Both are definitely model 60 engines, one from an Oliver and one from a Cockshutt. They are not both 60 engines. The one in the Cockshutt is a Oliver 66 engine! The Oliver has the correct 60 engine. The only one that needs a spacer plate is the diesel engine. Your front cover is an aluminum cover!
 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:22 am    Post subject: Re: Desperate for an engine part .... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hmmm, the plot thickens a bit. First, the serial number on the hulk Cockshutt (brass engine plate) is 411499 which in my book here says is a '47 Oliver 60 but those serial numbers applied to both Oliver and Cockshutt 60's right?

You mentioned it being a 66 engine, I don't see any 66 serial numbers that low with 42XXXX being the lowest starting point for 6-digit 66's (of all wheel versions)with 66 Supers only having 4 or 5-digit serial plates.

Trust me, both "tractors" (forget the engines) are model 60's, the Oliver is inside the shop here and the parts Cockshutt is outside, the engine was pulled out of it last week.

On the rebuilt Oliver engine (that needs a spacer), the cam & crank timing gears protrude out past the front surface of the engine block so the spacer is needed, no getting away from that. The aluminum timing gear cover plate is identical (pretty much flat) on both. The Cockshutt engine here does not need the spacer since the block is out past the timing gears (which are recessed).
And as I mentioned, the height and length of the blocks are different. Next time I'm there, I am going to get some measurements.

I'm wondering why the diesel engines would have the spacer? Did the 60 series come out with a diesel option?

My email address is ... mike1946@telus.net .... so if you repy with an email directly, we might be able to communicate a bit easier and eventually solve this. Thanks for the help so far ..... MIKE
 
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Desperate for an engine part .... Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I sent you an e-mail. Let me know if you do or do not receive it. J.
 
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