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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:39 pm    Post subject: UTS Diesel-M?? Turkey tractor?? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

i have found a tractor for sale that i think would look good beside my uts diesel but im not positive to what it is for sure. it has the different injection pump that i thought went on the turkey export mm utsd? tractor runs well and is mechanically in good condition the serial # is 10800492. if it is a uts-d how many are still left that are known? and maybe a rough estimate to value in this condition? thank you.

 
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:49 am    Post subject: Re: UTS Diesel-M?? Turkey tractor?? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I'd say it is a uts diesel. Didn't look up serial number, I'm just guessing by looks, sure looks like it.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:07 am    Post subject: Re: UTS Diesel-M?? Turkey tractor?? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

UTSD-M made in 1958. Made up from early U diesel components. It uses Robert Bosch inline pump. I have #556. Originally made for export to Turkey. Deal fell through and most were shipped to Canada or Dakotas.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:44 am    Post subject: Re: UTS Diesel-M?? Turkey tractor?? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Postma Brothers in NW Washington had their dispersal sale several years ago- they had 2 U diesel Turkish export tractors, with consecutive serial numbers (10800406, -407), not running, looked complete, brought $2,600 and $1,750, don't think they went to the same guy.

Sale was well advertised, Postmas were well known collectors, lots of Moline guys there from "far and wide".
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:51 pm    Post subject: Re: UTS Diesel-M?? Turkey tractor?? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Yes, that serial # is for a UTSD-M for export to Turkey. They are an interesting tractor. Definitely worth owning.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:28 am    Post subject: Re: UTS Diesel-M?? Turkey tractor?? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Deal never fell thru, lots were shipped to Turkey, (sold inTUrkey & elseswhere in the middle east, the Extras were sent to Canada, some made it back across to the Northern US. Certainly a Tractor worth persuing. I used to own a UTS-Special_Diesel like this, with inline Pump. Only one I've ever seen.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:00 pm    Post subject: Re: UTS Diesel-M?? Turkey tractor?? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Marty

I corresponded with fellow from turkey that had MM dealership. He said that he has never seen a UTSD-M. Only U diesels in Turkey were the ones that were assembled there.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:54 pm    Post subject: Re: UTS Diesel-M?? Turkey tractor?? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

There are many UTSD's in Turkey. the -M is Military, often confused with UTSD.

As far as I can tell ALL tractors shipped to Turkey were knocked down & Assembled there, just as the units to Greece, Iran, Spain, France, South America, etc.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: UTS Diesel-M?? Turkey tractor?? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I will email guy in Turkey again. I have picture of UTSD built in Turkey and it is a museum as there was no others according to dealer.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:52 pm    Post subject: Re: UTS Diesel-M?? Turkey tractor?? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

According to the Book, Turk Traktor Tarih - 1954-1997. published by Turk Traktor Co.

MM UTSD Production.
1955 - 815 Pieces
1956 - 250
1957 - 137

There is a note that total of 1205 UTSD were produced in Turkey (3 unit disparity from yearly count). Theses were all Knocked-down units assembled there. Not until the 445, did they start adding Turkish built components that differed from US Production (with exception of Fuel Pump on the U's)

1958 Production switched to 445T.

there is a photo on page 36 of book with at least 15 UTSD's taken in front of factory.

I have also seen other photos of multiple UTSD's in Turkey. A close friend of the family was in Turkey as a child, as her father was the MM Rep overseeing the MMTT project.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:53 am    Post subject: Re: UTS Diesel-M?? Turkey tractor?? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Doesn't show any UTSD-M's made it there.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:18 am    Post subject: Re: UTS Diesel-M?? Turkey tractor?? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

According to one note I have, those are all UTSD-M (M indicating "Modified"), just as the GTMD for Greece (GT "Modified" Diesel) At a quick look, I don't see any other prefix for MMTT UTSD's. as they were commonly reffered, the "M" was not used, except perhaps on the serial Tag. on 108 prefix.

I do have another note indicating that some of Prefix 050 went to Turkey. If only we had Ledgers for Turkey showing each tractor.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: UTS Diesel-M?? Turkey tractor?? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Could it be possible the 1205 went to Turkey with 050 number? Remember the rear housing would be shipped with tag. Similar to when U diesel chassis were shipped to Britain and repowered with the Meadows and Dorman motor. They maintained the U diesel serial right?
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:12 pm    Post subject: Re: UTS Diesel-M?? Turkey tractor?? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

the British U Diesels, were much older, predating any US Built Diesels. Totally different Tractor, especially the Rear end. The MM Turk Traktors, were Modern for the late 1950's, not old technology, or parts being used up. Both the US Government & Turkish Government Had money in the MMTT project, so I'm certain current & modern technology was a requirement.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:14 pm    Post subject: Re: UTS Diesel-M?? Turkey tractor?? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

No, they went to different people. The higher priced one went back east and I bought the other one. Its in Corvallis Oregon now. It runs like a swiss watch, but fenders are really rough and tires arent much.
 
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