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Red1
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:00 am    Post subject: Tar Roads.. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

We got rid of the last township trustee for using fema funds to put down 50 miles of river rock...people were replacing tires at half the mileage warranty..having rocks picked up by their tires and thrown into the engine compartment, etc.

So he got kicked out during the primary...and was obviously beatin during the general.

Now, the man that ran on 'i will fix the roads'...first dropped abs 1 1/4 everywhere. That worked out for around my area..had rain and the lime crust setup really decent...

But now he is putting down this oily rock s$#t..and from what i've heard is $$. Their coming my direction with this stuff and from what I've seen where it has been down awhile....sets new records for washboarding and rough and uneven. Don't believe they are even going over it with the scraper after dropping it...

Anyone had this crap dropped on their roads? I know it is supposed to keep the dust down..
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:14 am    Post subject: Re: Tar Roads.. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Mag Chloride?That stuff is used here.It does help to
keep dust dowm,also used to melt icy roads...That
crap makes things rust faster.It does seem a 'Mag'
road washboards faster.Its cheap and easily applied
(sprayed) with a watertruck.Awful stuff.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:15 am    Post subject: Re: Tar Roads.. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

thats called chip and seal it will be a little tacky for a couple days but after that you will see a big difference pretty good stuff actually just a cheaper route than asphalt.just drive over it slow untill it sets up or the bottomhalf of your vehicle will be covered just use a little common sence and you will be fine
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:18 am    Post subject: Re: Tar Roads.. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

They should look into calcium. I pay the county to spray the road in front of the house to keep dust down. After the second year it is like blacktop and rarely needs the maintainer run over it. Some counties put it everywhere as it makes the gravel roads last so much longer.

If you come flying by my place you may want to wash the underside of your pickup. The neighbors aren't griping about rust but I don't care anyway!
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:25 am    Post subject: Re: Tar Roads.. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

dont know if this what there doing but the proper way to chip seal a the road is first they spray the road with primer oil usually mb-70, then the chips are layed down. the problem here is there are special machines to do this but most countys lay it by spreading it out with a standard dump truck,even then its still salvageable, IF the blademan really is one, and has the skill to smooth it all out, but like here skill is usually a foreign substance,kind of like the blade man himself around here, if the guy can move the blade down the road, they figure he;s good to go, thats why its always comes out so bumpy,if they would use the correct machine it would be smooth. after it hardens several days they come back with a motor broom and brush all the extra chips off, usually right at the end of your lane, thats not the correct way to do it, but its the cheap way to do it
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:57 am    Post subject: Re: Tar Roads.. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

They aren't prepping the road at all prior to dumping this stuff on...

Think the skill factor is the reason they don't mess with it..and they don't want to get that 300,000$ john deere grader...with gps and arm toggles for steering..pressurized and ac cab...

dirty..
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:10 am    Post subject: Re: Tar Roads.. Reply to specific post Reply with quote


That sounds like ground asphalt to me. Our road agent of ten years or so ago tried it on one back road. It seemed OK on the flats but washboarded on the hills. Once it gets packed it can't be worked, like crusher run can. I have seen it work very well on a driveway, and a couple guys have sprayed fuel on it after rolling it and after a few weeks and some traffic it is almost hot top.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:06 am    Post subject: Re: Tar Roads.. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Around here we call it "stone & oil."

Real fine crushed stone spread over sprayed-on tar, right?

They spray the tar, spread the stone, roll it in, and sweep off the excess.

The sweep part seems wasteful but that's what prevents the washboarding.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:35 am    Post subject: Re: Tar Roads.. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Sounds like a product we tried here on our county roads. "Ottaseal" developed in Norway for lower class secondary roads. We did several miles as a trial project. It only worked well on high and dry grades not subject to water soaking the subgrade and allowing deformation. Commercial wheel loads produced rutting after a short life cycle and it was impossible to repair. Several townships here locally are continually patching hoping to eventually find money to run an asphalt reclaimer (grinder) over it and reduce it back to gravel that can be maintained.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:49 am    Post subject: Re: Tar Roads.. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have about 1 mile of hilly, gravel driveway to maintain. Until a couple of years ago I bought nothing but crusher run granite from the quarry. My gravel hauling guy got the bid on buying some reclaimed concrete that was double ground and cleaned with a magnet. Plus, it was cheaper than the crusher run. Man. what a difference the reclaimed concrete made on staying in place and not creating as much dust. I think the lime in the concrete contributes to its staying in place. I have a long sloping hill that got the reclaimed concrete about 3 years ago . Other than knocking the crown down & cleaning the ditches occasionally, it's been maintenance free.... Red1 Maybe your township should research the availability of the reclaimed concrete.
 
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