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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:14 pm    Post subject: King Kutter and 861 issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hi!

Could you all take a look at the attached pics and let me know your thoughts?

Problem--it seems the "Flex Hitch" on our King Kutter 5' rotary is too "high" for the 861. I cannot seem to adjust the height of the mower with the lift arms as the lever is almost all the way up. Any more movement on the touch control lever raises the mower all the way up. Also see the lift arms on the 861, they are quite high when the mower is 2" off the ground.

There seems to be plenty of "flex" in the Flex Hitch once the mower hits the ground, I can stop the lift arms and adjust them multiple points on the way down. But by then the mower is on the ground.

One thought I had was to move the pins for the lower arms down as far as I can by removing and drilling new holes. The problem is the design of the hitch will not let me move them much farther down without getting in to the "v" area where it is too tight.

Basically I think I need to have the whole hitch lower to better work with the 861. I saw some old J-Ds recently that had 3points and because they were so much taller than the 861, this "Flex Hitch" would probably work better for them.

Thoughts?

Thanks!
Chris

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:24 pm    Post subject: Re: King Kutter and 861 issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Chris,

No pics.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:27 pm    Post subject: Re: King Kutter and 861 issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Just got them loaded...was having issues and had to change to a different computer...
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:21 pm    Post subject: Re: King Kutter and 861 issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote

might try this
ky redneck solution

the bottom bolt that goes through the hitch frame. the one that goes through the front eyelet of the short flexible hitch connector.


get two longer bolts and try attaching your two lower arms to that bolt on each side.

this would be just a trial temporary connection, but see if the tractor would pick up the machine higher and give you better level control.

if so, then you must figure out how to make this connection point a Permanent connection point for the two lower arms.

I do not know if you can see it in the attached picture, but to make my old Howse cutter work properly on my TO-35 ferguson, I had to add about a 4-5" extention (higher) connection point) to the top connector of the cutter 3 pt hitch frame. this gave the cutter more rear lift as for some reason my tractor 3pt hitch would just not lift the rear of the machine high enough.
with out hitting the pto shaft on front edge of the cutter.

I also have to take off my straight bar hitch, I see yours is still on the tractor, when I use the cutter.
it will hit the pto shaft.

they make these cutters to fit most all tractors.
but our little ford/fergy's, the pto shaft is much lower on the tractor, than it is on other makes
AC, farmall, oliver, john deere, etc.

hope this helps some,
main thing, be careful and safe. you do not want to get hurt or tear up your new cutter.

 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:11 pm    Post subject: Re: King Kutter and 861 issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I've never seen such hitch. One wonders the purpose.

Nevertheless, I see nothing in the pictures that should prevent proper adjustment of mowing height using the tractors position control so long as the lift if properly functioning and adjusted.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:50 am    Post subject: Re: King Kutter and 861 issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote

In your pictures, the lift links (arms you say) are never much more than horizontal. They should reach maximum lift well above horizontal.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:50 am    Post subject: Re: King Kutter and 861 issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote

In your pictures, the lift links (arms you say) are never much more than horizontal. They should reach maximum lift well above horizontal.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:52 am    Post subject: Re: King Kutter and 861 issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote

In your third pic the position control lever is in the draft position, leastwise that is draft position on my jubilee. The position location (lever pointing up) will give much more control with the lift control lever to the right of the seat. Another important factor is the top link adjustment so that the PTO shaft doesn"t bind on the front edge of the mower deck when fully raised. Good luck. Dan Robertson
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:01 am    Post subject: Re: King Kutter and 861 issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote

JMOR wrote:
(quoted from post at 05:50:13 06/19/13) In your pictures, the lift links (arms you say) are never much more than horizontal. They should reach maximum lift well above horizontal.


Yes, that is where they are at when the mower is 2" off the ground. If I move the touch control lever any more up (you can see in one pic it is nearly all the way up) the arms will go full up and lift the mower all the way up.

That is the problem, I seem to be at the top of my "variable lift" when the mower is 2" off the ground. Any more movement of the touch control lever raises the mower 3 feet.
 


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:02 am    Post subject: Re: King Kutter and 861 issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Dan Robertson wrote:
(quoted from post at 08:52:10 06/19/13) In your third pic the position control lever is in the draft position, leastwise that is draft position on my jubilee. The position location (lever pointing up) will give much more control with the lift control lever to the right of the seat. Another important factor is the top link adjustment so that the PTO shaft doesn"t bind on the front edge of the mower deck when fully raised. Good luck. Dan Robertson


Nope, on the 861, the lever horizontal is implement control.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:09 am    Post subject: Re: King Kutter and 861 issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote

maxwell99 wrote:
(quoted from post at 01:21:31 06/19/13) might try this
ky redneck solution

the bottom bolt that goes through the hitch frame. the one that goes through the front eyelet of the short flexible hitch connector.


get two longer bolts and try attaching your two lower arms to that bolt on each side.

this would be just a trial temporary connection, but see if the tractor would pick up the machine higher and give you better level control.

if so, then you must figure out how to make this connection point a Permanent connection point for the two lower arms.

I do not know if you can see it in the attached picture, but to make my old Howse cutter work properly on my TO-35 ferguson, I had to add about a 4-5" extention (higher) connection point) to the top connector of the cutter 3 pt hitch frame. this gave the cutter more rear lift as for some reason my tractor 3pt hitch would just not lift the rear of the machine high enough.
with out hitting the pto shaft on front edge of the cutter.

I also have to take off my straight bar hitch, I see yours is still on the tractor, when I use the cutter.
it will hit the pto shaft.

they make these cutters to fit most all tractors.
but our little ford/fergy's, the pto shaft is much lower on the tractor, than it is on other makes
AC, farmall, oliver, john deere, etc.

hope this helps some,
main thing, be careful and safe. you do not want to get hurt or tear up your new cutter.


Good thoughts, will have to get some bolts to test.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:16 am    Post subject: Re: King Kutter and 861 issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You might try lowering your hitch pins if possible that may give
you better control at the same setting
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:46 am    Post subject: Re: King Kutter and 861 issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote

cbrown9064 wrote:
(quoted from post at 09:01:18 06/19/13)
JMOR wrote:
(quoted from post at 05:50:13 06/19/13) In your pictures, the lift links (arms you say) are never much more than horizontal. They should reach maximum lift well above horizontal.


Yes, that is where they are at when the mower is 2" off the ground. If I move the touch control lever any more up (you can see in one pic it is nearly all the way up) the arms will go full up and lift the mower all the way up.

That is the problem, I seem to be at the top of my "variable lift" when the mower is 2" off the ground. Any more movement of the touch control lever raises the mower 3 feet.
In that case, I suspect that your 3 point position control is not working properly. Adjustments and or cam & cam follower pin wear.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:59 am    Post subject: Re: King Kutter and 861 issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote

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In that case, I suspect that your 3 point position control is not working properly. Adjustments and or cam & cam follower pin wear.



So are you saying that at the level the arms are currently at and the position of the touch control (pic below) I should still be able to control the position of the arms without them going full up?
 


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:03 am    Post subject: Re: King Kutter and 861 issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote

cbrown9064 wrote:
(quoted from post at 10:59:18 06/19/13)
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In that case, I suspect that your 3 point position control is not working properly. Adjustments and or cam & cam follower pin wear.



So are you saying that at the level the arms are currently at and the position of the touch control (pic below) I should still be able to control the position of the arms without them going full up?

"should still be able to control the position of the arms without them going full up?" Should have proportional position control over the full lift travel range.
 
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