Yesterday's Tractor Co. Parts for Farm Tractors - Compare our Prices!
Click Here or call 800-853-2651 
   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 9N,2N,8N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   Traditional YT Forum ViewClassic View   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Intermitten Idle Symptom


 
Post new topic    
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
WayneB
Long Time User


Joined: 07 Nov 1999
Posts: 530
Location: Lunenburg, VA

Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:38 am    Post subject: Intermitten Idle Symptom Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Super Dexta previously stuck, has intermitten symptoms and I may answer my own question as I go...
Runs good at above (I'm guessing-haven't installed new tach) 1100 RPM. Gets sloppy at idle, then another time, idles perfect. Otherwise engine has all the good sounds, almost no blow-by and almost clear exhaust even under load.
Starter (new-key type) spins it fast and smooth, sometimes it catches, other times it don't, but pull it three feet in high and its running, every time. And unless you idle, it sound perfect. Like a fresh broke in rebuild.
Here is what I have replaced so far: Fuel primer valve, lift pump- starter and cables and of course battery. Unaffected areas are new steering wheel, and all bolts on rear LR tire loop.
I noticed a small-bubble from one of the gaskets on the head block off plates aside manifold when I was hosing off the engine. Ordered gaskets. One of my return line atop injectors has a missing seal washer(ordered), but no leak. Lot of cleaning throughout fuel system. I am also going to order the injector seals, as I have pulled injectors many time while working on it without replacing them.

Does anyone know where I can get an adapter to run a compression test?

Wayne
Another Unstuck Dexta

 
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
WayneB
Long Time User


Joined: 07 Nov 1999
Posts: 530
Location: Lunenburg, VA

Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:04 am    Post subject: Re: Intermitten Idle Symptom Reply to specific post Reply with quote

1. Washer Injector (bodY to head)Sealing (9/16 x 13/16 x 1/16) PN 118358-ES. Need 3, SPAREX does not show them. Where can I get them?

2. Sparex # S.42230 Gasket - Combustion Chamber 81803686 or 957E6K003 2 (EZ find)

3. Washer, 21/64 ID 1/2 OD x 1/32, PN 118357-ES Where can I get them, these are the injector return line seals above injector?

The main reason, I am posting this, is if I am having problems, I am sure there are others, and these are common parts, but not consumables. Replace once, and unless you mess with it, never again till rebuild. Can anyone help with a source? Sources?

Wayne
 
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Husker44A
Tractor Expert


Joined: 10 Nov 2010
Posts: 1517


Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:24 am    Post subject: Re: Intermitten Idle Symptom Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Wayne. I'm new to Fordson. But, not a new to wrenching by all means. Parts I'm not of any help. Compression tester can be made IF you have a old injector laying around. Disassemble the injector. Remove the nozzle and drill a hole into it 1/4" will work fine. Bolt injector to head. Thread a high pressure hose onto the top of injector followed by a high pressure gauge. I would like to think you'll need at least 10k psi gauge with a check valve and a bleeder valve in there too. I made one for a Cummins as they are way too pricey for a one time use. Made mine for about $30.
 
Back to top
View user's profile
cdmn
Regular


Joined: 07 Aug 2011
Posts: 155


Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:01 am    Post subject: Re: Intermitten Idle Symptom Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Over here, we have hardware vendors which sell a wide variety of industrial and military surplus hardware. I'm sure they have many different copper washers. Injector repair specialists must surely have them also.
 
Back to top
View user's profile
WayneB
Long Time User


Joined: 07 Nov 1999
Posts: 530
Location: Lunenburg, VA

Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:05 am    Post subject: Re: Intermitten Idle Symptom Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Give me time, and I can find a part!
BARECO part number B224
Massey Ferguson part # 0920113
SPAREX # S.6372
Washer Injector (body to head) Sealing (9/16 x 13/16 x 1/16) PN 118358-ES

5310-99-431-0405 WASHER,FLAT
0821PE09 20113 U1278 MINISTRY OF DEFENCE NAVY
0920113 K3879 MASSEY FERGUSON MANUFACTURING CO LTD
0920113 K5436 PERKINS ENGINES CO LTD
0920113 K5609 TEREX COMPACT EQUIPMMENT
0920113 U3888 POWER DIESELS LTD
18AA417 U1725 MINISTRY OF DEFENCE AIR DOMESTIC R FERENCE NUMBER USE ONLY
2411 K3879 MASSEY FERGUSON MANUFACTURING CO LTD
2411 K5609 TEREX COMPACT EQUIPMMENT
2411-131 K5436 PERKINS ENGINES CO LTD
2411131 K5436 PERKINS ENGINES CO LTD
61PK10423 U1725 MINISTRY OF DEFENCE AIR DOMESTIC R FERENCE NUMBER USE ONLY
990615 K4733 HYSTER EUROPE LTD
X3XCPK0920113 U1269 MINISTRY OF DEFENCE - DEFENCE LOGIST S ORGANISATION DLO
SPAREX Listing

 
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
WayneB
Long Time User


Joined: 07 Nov 1999
Posts: 530
Location: Lunenburg, VA

Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:13 am    Post subject: Re: Intermitten Idle Symptom Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Washer, 21/64 ID 1/2 OD x 1/32, PN 118357-ES This is the copper washer on the injector tip. Would need 3 per tractor.

New Holland Part # 118357ES $4.33 Amazon 7 left in stock

316159A1 is a replacement part from FNH - cost is $4.54 at partsspring
 
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
WayneB
Long Time User


Joined: 07 Nov 1999
Posts: 530
Location: Lunenburg, VA

Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:29 am    Post subject: Re: Intermitten Idle Symptom Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Parts information is correct. Where the parts are used is reversed.
118357-ES New Holland Part # 118357ES $4.33 Amazon 7 left in stock 316159A1
These are the return line washers. While my book says you need 3, just for the bottom, in practical use, need 6, one on top and one on bottom.

Washer Injector (body to head) Sealing (9/16 x 13/16 x 1/16) PN 118358-ES. Need 3,
BARECO part number B224
Massey Ferguson part # 0920113
SPAREX # S.6372
Washer Injector (body to head) Sealing (9/16 x 13/16 x 1/16) PN 118358-ES

I apologize for reversing the use of these two washers. The good news is a google/bing search in the future will help out the next guy.

As for the copper/thin metal return line washers, I intend to order quite a few, and replace them on my Dextas, and I'm up to four on hand now and one I haven't troubleshot and started on. I'll use a handfull of them.

I fully believe in my gut before I even put the washers on, this accounts for much of the Dexta cranking then starting issues we often confuse with wear. Minute air bleed off the culprit.

I have one Dexta, I rebuilt myself, that hadn't been started in over 6 months (need to replace tranny). Just over freezing (34 d) and bump, she started without priming. Those washers were new out of scrap (excess) washers I had from an old govt DRMO buy.
 
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
WayneB
Long Time User


Joined: 07 Nov 1999
Posts: 530
Location: Lunenburg, VA

Report to Moderator

PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:10 am    Post subject: Re: Intermitten Idle Symptom Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Injector return washers, 118357ES were available at Amazon online. $4.33 and they had 7 on hand. Took all of them. Ultimately, the parts could have been picked up at a local FNH dealer in Richmond, but at a cost of 20 cents more for each, needing ordered, so would get them at the same time, FEDEX at my farm.

Also, I found the complete return line from my parts Super Dexta, where I had taped the washers to each bleeder nut, so will get the old girl running perfect this weekend.

I have a Dexta 152 rebuild kit, that has one of the Combustion Chamber gaskets 957E6K003, so will just use one from the kit.

Wayne
 
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    Yesterday's Tractors Forum Index -> Fordson All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
TRACTOR   PARTS TRACTOR   MANUALS
Same-Day Shipping! Most of our stocked parts ship the same day you order (M-F).  Expedited shipping available, just call!  Most prices for parts and manuals are below our competitors.  Compare our super low shipping rates!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor.  We are a Company you can trust and have generous return policies!   Shop Online Today or call our friendly sales staff toll free (800) 853-2651.

YT Home  |  Forums Home

Copyright © 1997-2014 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters