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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:35 pm    Post subject: 1997 F150 Coolant Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Just drained the coolant on a Ford F150 I bought last week. It has the 4.6 V8 and it came out looking HORRIBLE, before I started I was trying to check the strength of the antifreeze and it was so brown I couldn't see the floating balls.

I took the thermostat out (same yellow brown crud everywhere) and flushed the engine with 20/30 gallons of water and ran about that much through the radiator too.

The engine temp was fine before I started (fine now too) but what was all that crud? The truck had 100K on it and I'm guessing the original coolant.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:40 pm    Post subject: Re: 1997 F150 Coolant Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Sounds to me like you did everything right.Add some anti corrosive/pump lube and you should be good
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:46 pm    Post subject: Re: 1997 F150 Coolant Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It got the pump lube.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:00 pm    Post subject: Re: 1997 F150 Coolant Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Bars Leak is a brown liquid/suspended granule radiator and head gasket leak sealer, may of had a couple bottles dumped in to "FIX" a coolant leak.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:09 pm    Post subject: Re: 1997 F150 Coolant Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You can clean a lot of that crud out by dumping a gallon of vinegar
in it, filling it the rest of the way with water and running it a day or so.
Then drain and flush and refill with clean water a couple times.
Bad part is if it does have Bars Leak in it, the vinegar may take
that out too. Then you'd find the original leak again.
Good part is, your sensors would work better.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:17 pm    Post subject: Re: 1997 F150 Coolant Reply to specific post Reply with quote

run a box of baking soda to full radiator and flush with water again before you refill with coolant or you'll have another rusty mess shortly...you have to neutralize vinegar...flushing alone won't do it.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:39 pm    Post subject: Re: 1997 F150 Coolant Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Sounds like the pH in the coolant was out of wack. Too high or low and it dissolves metals in the system makes the coolant murky. Electrolysis can set in too and that will strip rust off of the inside of the coolant passages and muddy things up. If you take a multi meter and put one lead to the engine block or other good ground and dip the other lead into the coolant at the radiator cap and start seeing voltage it is over due for a change. The antifreeze part of coolant doesn't really wear out, but the additive packages in them do and that is where the problems start.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:14 am    Post subject: Re: 1997 F150 Coolant Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Does that engine have an oil cooler in the bottom hose?
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:56 am    Post subject: Re: 1997 F150 Coolant Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hadn't thought about running vineger in it. Too late now, its all buttoned up and put away. I did mark it on my calender to do it all again in 6 months just because it was such a mess. I may try that then.

This time around I drained it, flushed it out with a garden hose, refilled it with water and Prestone radiator flush, ran it, flushed out again with the garden hose (still dirty). The water finally started coming out clean in the end but I sure it still got plenty of gunk in it somewhere. It really surprised me given how clean this engine is (without having been cleaned).
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:35 am    Post subject: Re: 1997 F150 Coolant Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Back in the 60"s I was going to drive our 2 or 3 year old Plymouth Valiant to Seattle one hot Summer day. I noticed that the temp gauge was kind of high while going across the flat area West of Moses Lake. But then my Mom and I crossed the Columbia River and climbed the approximately 10 mile Vantage Hill. The temp REALLY went up, and I decided we needed to run the heater to try to get some more cooling. So we roasted in the non-air conditioned car until we reached the rest area at the top. The Valiant was not boiling, and we did not lose any coolant. I had thought that the problem might be bugs in the radiator fins, but I found that there were only a few. So I decided there must be something else wrong. I knew enough not to open a hot radiator, so I poured some water over the radiator and then let it cool down for about an hour. When I finally opened the radiator, I found that the coolant was very orange and was about as thick as whole milk from a Jersey cow. I didn"t have any tools or anything along to try to fix the problem and was more than 150 miles from home. My Mom and I decided that we would continue on our trip to Seattle and would carefully monitor the temp. If it got too hot, we would run the heater full blast.

We climbed Snoqualmie Pass and the air got cooler, so we didn"t have any more real trouble and we arrived at my Sister"s apartment in Seattle.

The next morning I decided to try flushing out the crud in the radiator. I got a garden hose and opened the radiator drain valve. The "coolant" flowed slowly out of the valve and onto the parking lot. I started pouring water into the radiator and after a few minutes, the flow out the drain was nearly clear. I then filled it up and closed the valve. I started the engine and let it warm up to operating temperature. Then I let it cool down a bit and opened the drain valve again. The flow was still quite orange, but it was not nearly as viscous or thick. After I drained the radiator again and refilled it, I decided that I had done what I could and hoped the car would run OK.

One thing I had not thought about was the rust stain the procedure left on that apartment parking lot. I ended up scrubbing it with a brush and the garden hose, but some of that rusty trail remained. The manager was not pleased with the mess I made, but nothing really happened about the stain. I felt bad about it.

Our trip back to Spokane was uneventful and the temperature never got hotter than normal. My band-aid repair of flushing the system out and adding plain water worked! At home, I installed a drain valve in the block of the Slant 6 to replace the steel plug and a flushing tee in the heater hose and did a proper job of flushing the whole system. With new Prestone and an extra can of anti-rust, the car was ready for the coming Winter.

I would assume that the rusty, contaminated coolant I discovered at the Vantage rest area was the original coolant that came in the car when we bought it new. Obviously the antirust ingredients in the coolant had worn out or at least were not working any more and had not been for some time. I don"t remember ever opening the radiator before, as I was a pretty new driver at that time and didn"t know better. My Dad probably never checked the coolant either. At any rate, the system had rusted very badly, probably from the engine block. The situation didn"t seem to damage anything. We had that car for several years after that and never had a bit of trouble with it. I did check the coolant several times a year after that and do so on all of my machines. If I see any brown tint to coolant, I replace it right away.

I wish I had saved a sample of that thick, rusty coolant. It would have been interesting to have tested it to see what the PH was and also to see if it was still effective as an anti freeze. It also would have been nice to have been able to show my Dad how really bad the coolant had been.

I would drain out the brown coolant, flush the system and replace it with new, quality antifreeze. But from my experience, I would suggest being careful with the brown liquid, as it might stain whatever you pour it on. Good luck!
 
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