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Texasmark1
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:07 pm    Post subject: Dual one way plow Reply to specific post Reply with quote

To get us on the same page, I am talking about a rigid frame implement with a forward gang of discs and a rear gang. The forward gang axle is like positive 30 degrees from the line of travel and the rear gang is negative.

This is a 3 pt implement. Gang width is 8'.

Seriously considering purchasing one tomorrow and wondering on the HP required and 3 pt lift capacity to operate it.

I have a 4wd 65 PTO hp tractor.

Suggestions, helpful info, greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark
 
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Dual one way plow Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You are talking about an 'offset' disk.Your 65 horse 4x4 tractor is more than adequet.No worries.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 3:28 am    Post subject: Re: Dual one way plow Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thank you sir. Great news. Headed that way with my trailer this AM.

Mark
 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Dual one way plow Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Mr. Delta Red sir.

Based upon your comment and some common sense, I bought the plow today. Seems we all like pictures so I included a few. I was wrong and you were right. My tractor is 65 engine hp but only 57 PTO hp. This little power source did a super job of running this plow. I ran it for about 3 hours today with zero problems. When you said it would run the plow fine it did.

I am in black land and this time of year the soil is basically rocks. I ran it over some acreage that I had deep chiseled to break up some clods, then just ran it over concrete black dirt that had cracked wide open. Worked great in both applications.

Adding a few pics for those who like pics and I certainly enjoy the pics of all sorts of things that show up on this site.

Thank you sir for your input.

Mark



 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Dual one way plow Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Mark,I'm really glad it worked out for you!Good lookin' outfit.But,PLEASE stop calling it a "plow".It is not a plow!It is an "offset disk".A moldboard plow or a chisel plow is a "plow".A "disk"(Offset,tandem,...) is a "disk",it is not a 'diskplow'(completely different tool).Sorry for 'scolding' you,but you need to learn (and use) correct terminology.Good job on your purchase, Steve
 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 10:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Dual one way plow Reply to specific post Reply with quote

That is cool how deep will it work ?
 
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:30 am    Post subject: Re: Dual one way plow Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I'm amazed that tractor can pull an 8' offset. From the pics it looks like you're just scuffing the surface, which would explain it. In my area a 8 foot offset would require at least 80hp, more would be better. Try it again when the ground is a little more workable and I bet you find out it's a lot more load than you thought.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:11 am    Post subject: Re: Dual one way plow Reply to specific post Reply with quote

No doubt on scratching. This time of year the black dirt is hard as a rock. Easily ran B2 out of C4 gears at PTO rpms.

I had 2 main concerns which were satisfied: One was I thought it was much longer that it is (little over 6') and concerned at how much it weighed when thinking about foot-pounds hanging out there behind the 3 pt.

Length is a double edged sword with the longer the easier to get tangled in a fence on turning around and second the ft-lb thing I mentioned.

Passed both tests.

The discs are 20", the hubs are about 4" so when things soften up I ought to get at least 6" of penetration. That will be adequate.

Thanks for the help

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:44 am    Post subject: Re: Dual one way plow Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Down here we don't use moldboards. The thick gooey clay won't allow it. Have to have a rolling disc and if in the spring you had better have your scrapers in good shape, unless you are chiseling, or running a sweep for cultivating which is done when things dry out somewhat.

So, if you are going to break the sod so to speak it's plowing to us regardless of what you use. I know you guys in the sandy loams run 16-6's and all that, rolling the sod over and all, but down here we cut the surface vegetation into the top soil which is what the disc does and upon reading on the www, back in 1920 some guy up there pioneered the offset but he only had one gang on the original plow with no counter wheel.

We aren't fortunate enough to have 6' of top soil like I'm told Iowa and other places up there have. This land was cottoned to death for 50 some odd years. The easiest way to remove stubble was to burn it off, rather than plow it back in developing some humous and improving the soil. Besides after the picker or pickers before the advent of the motorized picker finishes, there isn't much stubble anyway. So what's left is solid clay, rock hard in the summer and sinkhole goo in the winter.

There is a different "plow" we use down here and it's offset also but only has 1 row of as many as 16 24" discs on it. It rides out away from the tractor at the tail end and there is a huge wheel weighing who knows how much to counter the torque there. New they came with JD green paint. Again the rolling wheel with the scraper. Commercial/multi field operation guys don't use it as road transportation is a problem. Much easier to run a big disc with batwings and go over the field a couple of times to break it up. 1 trip operation.

So forgive me for "cussin" but we don't know any better. Grin.

Mark
 
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:27 am    Post subject: Re: Dual one way plow Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Mark,I know about different areas haveing different names/terminology for things.When I moved from Eastern Colorado to western Colorado,lot of things were different.The other 'tool' you refered to we call a "one-way" .We can teach each other a lot....Steve
 
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:07 am    Post subject: Re: Dual one way plow Reply to specific post Reply with quote


In the Great Plains in the wheat raising country one-ways were called "diskers". JD called one-ways disk tillers. 3pt offset tandems are also called bog plows
 
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:07 am    Post subject: Re: Dual one way plow Reply to specific post Reply with quote


In the Great Plains in the wheat raising country one-ways were called "diskers". JD called one-ways disk tillers. 3pt offset tandems are also called bog plows
 
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 12:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Dual one way plow Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Hey guys I am really enjoying the colloquialisms. Would really like to hear more, not necessarily related, but "sayins" that are from your local that aren't necessarily in the latest edition of Webster's.

Come on with more.

Mark
 
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:11 am    Post subject: Re: Dual one way plow Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You don't see many one way discers here in the NE. Not many disc plows either, but a few. What you do see a quite a few of are bog harrows, generally on older farms. A very heavy duty, single gang disc harrow with large cutaway discs. Normally only 4-5 foot wide and weighted through a "rock basket" or other heavy items like bundles of railroad track. Used in boggy ground and rooty ground. Wicked hard to pull if the ground is too wet, often better suited to a crawler. They will however cut up land that will not plow, brushy lands, land that is rooty, and allow for a gradual improvement of the ground. They also work good in tearing up the bottom of old drainage ditches so you can pull the dirt out of them. They surely will make a tractor huff and puff if they get a good bite.

Can't get them new anymore I don't think. An old technology that still works, but awfully slow.
 
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