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David Owen
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:03 pm    Post subject: 8n hydralic remote Reply to specific post Reply with quote

is it posible to put a hydralic remote on an 8N. if so where does one tap in to the lift system.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:05 pm    Post subject: Re: 8n hydralic remote Reply to specific post Reply with quote

techincally yes.. but there's more to it than a simple yes..

1, you can chaint he 3pt down, engage the pto and tap the pressure test port with an orb fitting, runt hat line to a OC ( logsplitter? ) DA valve, with it's return line dumping into the trans sump. then use da functions on it's ports. PTO provides hyd flow and pressure ( 1500-1700 psi up to 2.85 gpm ).. but is not live... so if foot is on the clutch, or pto not spinning.. it dies.

now.. a couple members here make add on engine pumps that guve you either more 3pt flow, or live 3pt with no pto involvement.. or the option of a remote ( and/or really )

TOH and Zane are the people that make these kits..

still there are other engine mounte dpump options you could fab, depending on if you had a loader or not..e tc.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:45 pm    Post subject: Re: 8n hydralic remote Reply to specific post Reply with quote

As souNdguy said, not easily.
Here's TheOldHokie's site if you want to check into live hydraulics.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 4:07 pm    Post subject: Re: 8n hydralic remote Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thank you
 
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 4:09 pm    Post subject: Re: 8n hydralic remote Reply to specific post Reply with quote

David Owen wrote:
(quoted from post at 18:03:22 09/14/13) is it posible to put a hydralic remote on an 8N. if so where does one tap in to the lift system.
Thanks


Simple answer is NO.

You can add a low flow remote (2.5 GPM) by disabling the 3pt lift (chaining it down) and tapping the internal system. If that works for you it is easily done and many folks have been satisfied with the result.

If you want more than that you need an external pump which is also easily done but will incur some cost in labor and $$$$.

TOH
 
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 4:25 pm    Post subject: Re: 8n hydralic remote Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks Royce. Sounds like the hydralic kit would be the way to go.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:25 pm    Post subject: Re: 8n hydralic remote Reply to specific post Reply with quote

See my link below for information on my "Live Thang" live hydraulics and other lift related things I make.

Zane
ZANES LIFT STUFF

 
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:20 pm    Post subject: Re: 8n hydralic remote Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I use a drop valve from a Ferguson LU-O-20 loader The oil comes from the test port and returns through the top hole of the side cover. 50+ years ago I literally mowed hundreds of acres of hay using an IH semi mounted mower and this remote to lift the cutter bar. More recently I used it to lift a Sauder snow plow Currently we (tractor and me) are in retirement but I still have the valve mounted on the tractor. It makes a good conversational piece. If I had the expertise, I'd take some pictures and post them or I could send them by text if interested
 
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: 8n hydralic remote Reply to specific post Reply with quote

new oxford 2-n wrote:
(quoted from post at 23:20:26 09/14/13) I use a drop valve from a Ferguson LU-O-20 loader The oil comes from the test port and returns through the top hole of the side cover. 50+ years ago I literally mowed hundreds of acres of hay using an IH semi mounted mower and this remote to lift the cutter bar. More recently I used it to lift a Sauder snow plow Currently we (tractor and me) are in retirement but I still have the valve mounted on the tractor. It makes a good conversational piece. If I had the expertise, I'd take some pictures and post them or I could send them by text if interested


Here is a picture of one of the drop valves which came with an old Sauder loader I purchased many years ago. It allows you to raise and lower the loader (or any other SA cylinder) using the 3pt control lever and still required chaining the 3pt down to get the external hydraulics to work. There is no real advantage to it over an ordinary open center control valve plumped into the test port. In fact my loader which had a hydraulic rather than trip bucket was operated using a two spool valve plumbed into the test port and the drop valve was used solely as a return line fitting into the sump.

IMO if you really want to use the internal pump to power a remote valve the best way to do it is with the top cover modification described in the link below. A selector valve and open center control valve installed in the external top cover line gets you one or more a remote ports without chaining the lift down. You can't use the 3pt and the valve simultaneously but you can switch back and forth on the fly without ever leaving the seat. Plus it saves wear and tear on the internal pressure relief valve which gets worked hard by the drop valve setup.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:53 am    Post subject: Re: 8n hydralic remote Reply to specific post Reply with quote

And lets not forget that Kevin LaRue has some very good instructions for a DIY version on the "other site".

Look for HOW TO PROVIDE LIVE HYDRAULICS FOR ALL FORD N-TRACTORS
 
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:48 am    Post subject: Re: 8n hydralic remote Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Havn't seen that one.

I gave up on the other site mostly as it's not easy to post.. I tire of having to enter captcha number sequences 4-5 times a pop to get a post to go thru.. and then when it goes thru.. 90% of the time getting a site error because the shared server is busy.

I can't afford to spend 10+ minutes trying to post a single message.. just not worth it...
 
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