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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:15 pm    Post subject: 3 point tiller on a to30 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I was wondering if any of you have a suggestion on what type of tiller to get for a TO30. I am looking at a 4' tiller. Is gear the way to go ir does any use a belt drive? I have a belt drive flail and is tends to slip in heavy grass. Any thought would be great.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:31 pm    Post subject: Re: 3 point tiller on a to30 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

A tiller requires a very low gear or tiller will push tractor while operating. You might want to test one before buying. Does a friend have one you could use?
 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:36 pm    Post subject: Re: 3 point tiller on a to30 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

That is a good point and I have heard that as well as brush mowers. I am putting an overdrive clutch on the pro so pushing the tractor is not a worry. I was just wondering about brands. Is King cutter reliable? I prefer good tools but not to outrageous.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:38 pm    Post subject: Re: 3 point tiller on a to30 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

That is a good point and I have heard that as well as brush mowers. I am putting an overdrive clutch on the pro so pushing the tractor is not a worry. I was just wondering about brands. Is King cutter reliable? I prefer good tools but not too outrageous in cost. I don't like to have to buy things twice.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:50 pm    Post subject: Re: 3 point tiller on a to30 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Perhaps someone will correct me, but my understanding is that a TO30 does not have a gear low enough for effective use of most 3 point tillers. In first gear, if you run the engine fast enough to get adequate PTO speed the tractor is moving along more quickly than desired. I think this may be what minor09 is referring to when he suggests trying one before buying.

I'll admit right off I haven't tried it as I don't have a friend with one to borrow. But every time I've looked at it this is what I read. And I do know how fast my TO30 moves in 1st at 3/4 throttle.

Now, if you have a gear reduction add-on for your transmission, that's a totally different story.

And, if you try it and it works, I'll be glad to know.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:56 pm    Post subject: Re: 3 point tiller on a to30 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I doubt any PTO powered three-point hitch tiller is going to work on a TO30. I run a 5 foot King Kutter on my TO35 Deluxe -but the TO35 has a live PTO and a creeper 1st gear. TO30 will be way too fast in 1st.

A three-point tiller with its own engine is what would work. Then you can idle the engine down to get a slow ground speed and the tiller will still work properly.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:59 pm    Post subject: Re: 3 point tiller on a to30 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I should look into that. I did not even consider the gear ratio.
Ferguson did make a tiller at one point for these tractors from what
I have seen. I need to do some research. Thank you for the heads
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: 3 point tiller on a to30 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have a 6 foot tiller and put it on my TE 20 once and it pushed me to fast to sink in the ground. This was on sand
 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:32 pm    Post subject: Re: 3 point tiller on a to30 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

What about a chisel plow. Would this break up the soil enough or would it require additional steps before hilling the planting rows?
 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:14 pm    Post subject: Re: 3 point tiller on a to30 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

My daughter and her ex bought a King Kutter from TSC for their small Kubota, and it did a great job. The only problem they had was not defective materials or workmanship, but had to replace a grease seal due to a piece of wire wrapped around the shaft.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:01 am    Post subject: Re: 3 point tiller on a to30 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have forund the best way to use a tiller on the back of my 30 is to turn the ground over with my two bottom plow then leave it sit a week or two so the vegetation rots and then use the tiller box to break it down. Once the plows have the dirt loosened up the tiller works nice
 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:21 am    Post subject: Re: 3 point tiller on a to30 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

A Ferguson will drive a 4 ft rotavator , but it needs a reduction box, either a Howard or a Ferguson epicyclic unit....even a Hupp or Sherman?
My pic is of a Te 20 driving a Howard rotavator..... you can even rotavate so slow you still have time to read text messages!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:10 pm    Post subject: Re: 3 point tiller on a to30 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

A PTO overunning coupler will not help with the tiller pushing the tractor forward.
It different than with a bush hog mower that continues to rotate when you push the clutch in.
If the tiller is pushing you forward, maybe you do not have enough traction (liquid in the rear tires / cast iron weights). Tillers apply alot of forward push force (once they are in the dirt and are tilling). It takes adequate traction to keep the rear tires from skidding.
Kind of like if you had a heavy hay wagon pushing your too light tractor down hill.
And the same thing happens with my MF 35 (which has no engine braking in low multi-power)and six foot tiller. The tiller pushes the tractor and I have to slow it down with the brakes.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:03 pm    Post subject: Re: 3 point tiller on a to30 Reply to specific post Reply with quote

That is the same scenario I have with my bush hog in my rough back area too fast to get a clean cut and then you have to turn sharp goinf fast to get a clean cut while turning. Love the little tractor but? I have a tiller but would never waste my time to put it on the fergy. (need a step down box)
 
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