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Bob 8n
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:01 pm    Post subject: 19498N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Have 1949 8N six volt,front mount dist.when i push starter button all i get is a click or a sound like the starter is spinning but the solnoid is not kicking in. I charged battery and the hydrometer reads battery is fully charged,cleaned both battery termals,cables are ok. I know some you good guys can help me. Thank you.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:37 pm    Post subject: Re: 19498N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You say battery cable are ok how do you know that since you can not see if they are good or bad. If you get a click could be a bad solenoid or bad cable or poor connection. If you hear the starter spin could be a starter on it way out. A battery cable can go bad but you can look at it till your blue in the face and never know or see that it is bad
 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:39 pm    Post subject: Re: 19498N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Clean both ends of both cables? Big as your thumb cables?
They all need to be clean and tight, no paint, rust, etc.

If you want to eliminate the solenoid as the problem, you can
jumper the two big terminals together with jumper cables.
Make sure you have it in neutral if you do that as you bypass
the neutral safety switch. Starter will/should spin instantly.

You can jump directly to the starter with a 12V battery if
need be, but not to the 6 volt battery.
Again, make sure you have it in neutral.
12V battery Black jumper cable to starter stud and battery.
Red jumper cable to battery then touch to frame.
Again, starter will/should spin instantly. (hence the neutral warning)

Let us know what you find.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:41 pm    Post subject: Re: 19498N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

make sure the backside of the ground cable is shiny and also where it touches the frame is good and clean, sounds like your not getting good connection.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 2:45 am    Post subject: Re: 19498N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Bendix could have come off of the starter shaft..
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:32 am    Post subject: Re: 19498N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If battery is old, it might take a full charge and register 12.7 or so volts, but still not have the amps available to power the starter. Same sound exactly on my 48 8N; substituted new battery and worked fine.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:35 am    Post subject: Re: 19498N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

starter would spin free.. not make the solenoid click.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:39 am    Post subject: Re: 19498N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

DO check bat grnd cable connection to chassis. if ok. jump around solenoid while tractor in neiutral and clutch blocked ( check thrice )

if she starts that way.. but not with the button.. suspect solenoid.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:12 am    Post subject: Re: 19498N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have a little different take here than some. If starter motor is spinning, then the solenoid must be 'kicking' in. Bob, maybe you mean bendix/drive isn't kicking in. Or maybe you mean that it just "sounds like starter motor is spinning", but really isn't ?? Clarity would be helpful.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:23 am    Post subject: Re: 19498N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

hard to believe the starter is spinning but the solenoid is not engaged.

do you perhaps mean the drive gear is not engaging the flywheel ring gear, after you press the thumb button, solenoid clicks in, and starter starts spinning?
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:44 am    Post subject: Re: 19498N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

you guys are right its the solrnoid making the bussing or sometimes clicking sound. Jumping around the solenoid isn't doing anything (assuming i'am doing it right)Thanks again for the help.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:58 am    Post subject: Re: 19498N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Bob 8n wrote:
(quoted from post at 12:44:21 10/16/13) you guys are right its the solrnoid making the bussing or sometimes clicking sound. Jumping around the solenoid isn't doing anything (assuming i'am doing it right)Thanks again for the help.
Be sure in neutral, then put a wrench on each large terminal of solenoid, then touch the 2 wrenches together. If starter motor runs, solenoid was/is the problem. If not try jumping to starter motor terminal from truck or car. If starter motor runs, then problem on tractor will be cables, cable ends, connections or battery.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:58 am    Post subject: Re: 19498N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Bob 8n wrote:
(quoted from post at 12:44:21 10/16/13) you guys are right its the solrnoid making the bussing or sometimes clicking sound. Jumping around the solenoid isn't doing anything (assuming i'am doing it right)Thanks again for the help.

All you need to jump around it is one lead from a pair of jumper cables.
Red or black, doesn't matter as long as it's the same one. LOL

You could also try straight from the negative battery post to the starter lug.
(assuming original positive ground setup)
That will probably arc and can damage the threads.
I wouldn't hook it to the battery last, as the spark could blow the battery.

If it doesn't turn when you jumper, the starter may be bad or it
may just be stuck in the flywheel. You can try putting it in high
gear and rocking the tractor to pop it loose or take the two starter
bolts loose and pull the starter part way out to see.

If you take it all the way out, clean the shaft really well and leave
it bare and dry. No lube on it. Matting surfaces on the flywheel
and bellhousing should be clean and bare too.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:20 am    Post subject: Re: 19498N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I had a similar situation. My battery had about 14 volts and the hydrometer said it was fully charged. Tractor would not come close to starting.
Harbor Freight sells a battery load tester very reasonably. Bought one and sure enough the battery failed the load test.
Put in a different battery and the problem was solved.
I have since used the load tester several times and it has been a great help.
Hope this helps.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:59 am    Post subject: Re: 19498N Reply to specific post Reply with quote

if jumping the solenoid does not help.. check bat volts while trying hte jump. if it drops off.. your bat is bad.

if volts stay high but nothing. check connections. maybee even tap starter.

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