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Mitch Poindexter
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:12 am    Post subject: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hit a bit of a snag on the 2150 project in relation to the injection pump. Have a Bosch pump from an IH 4366 rebuilt and ready to install on the new Herc, but just realized (I'm not very smart) that the IH tractors don't have a kill lever on the pump for fuel shut off, instead you just push the throttle further to kill the fuel. Before I tear down a newly rebuilt fuel pump to try to figure out how to swap over the Oliver kill lever parts into the IH pump, does anyone know if there is an electronic shutoff solenoid that I can just add to this pump? I'd be perfectly happy with setting this up to shut off with a key switch. Thanks.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:49 am    Post subject: Re: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Late IH 815 & 915 combines have electric shut off on pump.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:55 pm    Post subject: Re: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Maybe a word of caution. There was a 2150 around here with a pump off a DT 466 I think (maybe a 436). 200 horse no problem, cracked exhaust manifold no problems either. I put 2 pair of manifolds on there before they took the tractor to a dealer in another state.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:29 pm    Post subject: Re: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

How were they handling the fuel shutoff?
 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:38 am    Post subject: Re: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

They used the hydraulic head from the IH and not the rest of he pump. Older IH trucks with the DT466 and a model 100 pump had electric shut off as well on some of them. What did A-C use on the 8000 series with the model 100 pump?
 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 9:48 am    Post subject: Re: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Is that a model 100? If it is, look at combine motors since those had a kill solenoid. Your best bet would be to try and scrounge a used pump. New solenoids run around $900 unless you get lucky.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:29 am    Post subject: Re: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Y, it's a 100 pump. I bought this pump from a local salvage yard, he had about 6 or so of these and I intentionally picked the one NOT from the combine because I didn't need a shutoff solenoid....HA. It's not like I bought it sight unseen either, I had the stupid thing in my hands and didn't notice that it didn't have a kill lever, then to top it off I took it to the pump shop and had it completely rebuilt. Feeling like a real genius here.

Go back to the salvage yard and get the other pump to get the shutoff solenoid you say. I agree, the salvage yard gets $300 per pump. Well, funny thing about that, the guy went out of business on Oct 31st, and everything went into the scrap bins. I got there the day after they had cleaned the fuel pump shelves.....You want to see a grown man cry, I did that day. I managed to save a couple of hydraulic pumps, 3 hydraulic remote valves, and 2 steering cylinders for a 2-150 (yes I did dumpster dive and no I'm not ashamed of it), but alas none of those are helpful here.

The $900 you quoted is funny too, because it's the number I found out yesterday when I came to the conclusion that we'd have to set this thing up with the solenoid to make it work, and then priced one. But that's also the number that the radiator shop quoted me yesterday to re-core the radiator. His words "man, this is a really big radiator with a lot of fins per inch, are you sitting down". Never what you want to hear from him. $900 is how much I paid for the new surplus Herc that we're transplanting into this thing, and also the amount I spent on the 2 stage clutch.

If you're keeping count, yes this winter project is already getting expensive. But on the positive side, my 2nd crop beans did make 12 bushel/acre this year, which is 10 more than last year. The wife is VERY excited about the yield trend.....I'm not letting her in on the joke until after the winter project is finished!
 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:20 pm    Post subject: Re: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

AC 8000 series used a spring loaded idle stop capsule like IH tractors did to shutdown with the throttle lever. The electric shutdown cover, solenoid assembly also needs a different fuel control unit, all very expensive. Another choice is the Bowden wire shutdown that the early trucks used if a complete cover assembly can be found. Will bolt right on and work with the control unit in place now.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:55 am    Post subject: Re: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Feel your pain. I bought a tractor this fall, knowing it needed a "little" work. If I'm lucky I'll only have twice its value in it when I'm done.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Yep ya should have done what we did and put and 8.3 cumming in it . New flywheel yep 900 bucks and the PTO drive forget what that cost four homemade motor mounts a couple pieces of muffler tubing one special hose and some oil pan mods to clear the ft. drive shaft and it was in there running . . Now if anybody needs some 478 herc. parts INCLUDING THE INJECTION PUMP they are forsale and yes the pump does work . Just needs #6 sleeve and piston .
 
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:27 pm    Post subject: Re: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I am interested, how do I get in touch with you?
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:46 pm    Post subject: Re: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 10:27 pm    Post subject: Re: 2150 Project Bosch Pump Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have another caution for you. If the pump shop reassembled this pump for IH application, the #1 injector line port is in the wrong position. IH uses #1 straight forward, Herk uses it pointing outward, away from the engine. Flow time check the pump when installing it to see if #1 line matches #1 port. This is what melted down an engine I repaired for a customer.
 
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