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Scott in SF
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:24 pm    Post subject: guns are tools Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Out at the range today I learned something ( it is not -25 everywhere in the US) from the other guy out there. 38 Super and 38 ACP can be shot in a 357 Mag revolver. I ran a box of 50 38 Super through my S&W 686 and Ruger Blackhawk. No problems. At 50 yards the point of impact and group size was about the same. Although the rim size of the 38 Super is a bit smaller the Smith had no probles with ejecting the empties. Of course it didn't matter in the Ruger as the ejector rod dosen't care about the rim. No split cases. Not a normal thing a guy would want to do as 357 Mag and 38 Special is more common and less expensive than 38 Super, but is good to know it is a option.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:53 pm    Post subject: Re: guns are tools Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Guns may be tools, but knives are not........they are weapons. Around here, if a kid gets caught on school property with a knife, they face some serious time.....as much as a full year suspension. When I'se in school (all the '50s, finish up in the '60s), every single boy (even the ones who came to school barefooted) carried a pocket knife, beginning about in the 4th grade. We would've no more used a pocket knife as a weapon than we would've used a ball bat.....never crossed our mind.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:10 pm    Post subject: Re: guns are tools Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I agree, things have changed. I graduated in '72. We weren't allowed to carry pocket knives, but if you got caught worst would happen is you loose it.

I don't recall ever hearing of a school shooting... Wasn't uncommon the see a rifle or shotgun in the back window of a PU in the parking lot, I don't think that was even in the rule book. Now you hear of honor students expelled because an empty shell was rolling around in the bed of the truck...
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:52 pm    Post subject: Re: guns are tools Reply to specific post Reply with quote

There are also special clips that you can use, to use auto ammo, in revolvers of the same caliber, full moon(6) and half moon(3).
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:53 pm    Post subject: Re: guns are tools Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If the wrong person see's your post Ball bats will be outlawed.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:08 pm    Post subject: Re: guns are tools Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Yes things have changed and I don't think for the better. I have carried a pockrt knife starting in fourth grade and used it at times to clean finger nails and teachers never said a thing.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:35 pm    Post subject: Re: guns are tools Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I graduated high school in 62,we had a fast draw contest with blanks in the HS lobby several times.Many of us carried in our cars and trucks. My high school math teacher taught most of my age group to reload at school in his classroom. Quite few built and fitted gun shocks in shop class.
Today kids at our high school who are shooters park in my sisters yard a 1/2 block from school.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:23 pm    Post subject: Re: guns are tools Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Knives were against the rules, BUT, about the only ones that got confiscated were hawkbills.. We needed a good knife, though, certain ones carried straight razors..
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:30 am    Post subject: Re: guns are tools Reply to specific post Reply with quote

357 will fit in some 38 Long Colt chambers- not with good results if you fire it though!
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:26 am    Post subject: Re: guns are tools Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Many people buy .357's for that reason. Shooting .38's is much easier on the pocket book.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:27 am    Post subject: Re: guns are tools Reply to specific post Reply with quote

JOB -- c'mon, your really a girl aren't you?
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:59 pm    Post subject: Re: guns are tools Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Same here. When in High School we all carried a shotgun and rifle in our cars for some road hunting on the way home.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:09 pm    Post subject: Re: guns are tools Reply to specific post Reply with quote

thdrduck wrote:
(quoted from post at 06:26:22 01/09/14) Many people buy .357's for that reason. Shooting .38's is much easier on the pocket book.


A 38 SPECIAL in a 357 Mag chamber is fine. A 357 Mag in a 38 LONG COLT is bad news. The 38 Long Colt is what replaced the 45 Colt SAA in the late 1880's. It was in a first generation Colt DA revolver with the swing out cylinder. The cartridge was a black powder number firing a 150 gr bullet at about 750 fps. No heat treated cylinder, not up to 38 Special standards even. But the cylinder was bored straight through because of the heel type bullet, it was the same diameter as the case IOW, and a 357 will slide right into a lot of them. Pull the trigger and theres a good chance your new nick name will be "Stubby" on account of your missing fingers!
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: guns are tools Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The older .38 long colts get .38 hollow based wadcutter light target loads at some demonstrations, some use the "Cowboy" loads with cut down .38 case and the old heeled bullet. The 125 grain hollow point .357 is the load that I the dangerous one in the older police positives chambered for the .38 long colt- it will fit into cylinder and let cylinder rotate and fire while the "standard" .357 with the 158 grain roundnose will stick out of front of cylinder and not let cylinder turn. .38 special with the 125 grain +P is another dangerous load in those. "Iffy" other load for the old .38 S&W is the 9mm rimmed made for the revolver chamber for it and using half moon clips as alternate on the rimless/undercut extractor groove. S&W Top break/Chiefs special is possible at risk, the old Enfield service revolver not considered at risk because 9m rimmed bullet is .010+ under bore size and just lightly rides the lands when fired in nominal .365/8 bore. S&W has nominal .363/5- a slight difference- and a shorter forcing cone in barrel, slightly shorter cylinder than the 38/200 Enfield chamber. The danger is the 9x19R cartridge loaded to NATO spec instead of SAAMI.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:52 pm    Post subject: Re: guns are tools Reply to specific post Reply with quote

When I was a kid if you took a gun to school all that happened is you had to ride in the front of the bus! As mentioned before some kids like to hunt on the way home or catch a different bus to a friend's house to hunt there. No we didn't hear about school shootings, we did hear about the largest mass murder in the US prior to The Murrah building or WACO, because it happened in the school over in the next town...50 years earlier! No guns used, a disgruntled former school board member packed the basement of the school with dynamite and wired it into the bells. Near as they figured out he was about to loose his farm and blamed it on the increased property taxes caused by the shiny new consolidated school.
 
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