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tonastoy
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:45 am    Post subject: Roto baler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I friend of mine is looking at a allis roto baler and is wondering if they use twine or can be outfitted to set one up for twine. I know nothing about them but said I"d look for info. Can anyone give me any input? Thanks
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:53 am    Post subject: Re: Roto baler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Pretty sure they used binder twine which is thinner than the standard square bale twine. Dad bought some binder twine a few years ago and I think that round baler twine is probably close.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:07 am    Post subject: Re: Roto baler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

They use binder twine, which is a smaller spool than baler twine. They don't so much tie the bale, as wrap it. like the big round balers of today.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:43 am    Post subject: Re: Roto baler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Do they make a good bale or should I suggest they look for a square baler, it's only for their own hay on a small acreage for a few animals
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:58 am    Post subject: Re: Roto baler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If you rake your hay correctly they are as good as anything, they don't have those dam knotters that everyone used to fight all the time.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:48 am    Post subject: Re: Roto baler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Its something that you have to get used to. They are different to handle stack and feed. They also can survive rain after harvesting, but take more labor, in my view, than small squares. Cheap equipment to own, can be dangerous, to the ignorant. Overall, they are a young man's game.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:27 am    Post subject: Re: Roto baler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I owned one years ago and learned to hate it. Bales where hard to handle since you had no twine you could grab hold of so you had to have a bale hook or long arms. Ya if done right and you have some one who knows them they maybe ok but I'll not own one again.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:33 am    Post subject: Re: Roto baler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If baled correctly they do make a tight bale. Feed is a lot nicer as it isn"t beat up like a square bale. Straw is excellent and can be just unrolled. They are a different machine to run and it takes some getting used to. Like said before they can be labor intensive, but there are bale loaders out that that work too. Square bales have the feeding advantage if your just "throwing three flakes in the feeder". But I do think cattle waste less because they cannot pull flakes out of the feeder. I would go to a show and see one run and handle a few bales first and see if it suits your fancy.

If binder twine is not available in your area, one can use 16000ft baler twine. A different twine box construction is needed then, I have seen 5 gallon pails work.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:32 am    Post subject: Re: Roto baler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I always used two hay hooks to handle the bales and there was a tool hanging on the back of the bailer to poke the string end into the bale to keep it from unwinding. If the knife didn't cut the string clean it would wind the whole spool of twine into the next bale. Worked great for bedding straw, you could just unroll it across the stall.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Roto baler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I owned one once, I was never able to get it to work properly, I had the company send me a copy of the owners manual.

it told all this stuff about proper windrow width and twine wrapping.
how to load the roll bales on the wagon and how to feed them

I think, if you got the machine to work, they really were design to leave the bales in the field and let the stock feed off them during the winter.

with all the good John Deere and New Holland sq balers out there, I can see no reason to buy one.

unless you are too relaxed and have too much extra money laying around and you just need something to add (mountains of stress and cost) into your life.

there is no more beautiful sound that a perfectly tuned WD45 hooked to a New Holland baler. Each time that old baler strokes and compress the hay the governors on that old WD45 open.
what a beautiful sound.

No other tractor could sound like that and with the hand clutch you could control the baler.

balers and replacement parts go hand and hand, if you can not get replacement parts all you have is scrap metal in my humble opinion.

Good luck,
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Roto baler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have loaded,hauled and stacked them in the barn, but never ran the baler. The orange tops are the original ones, the white tops were made in the late sixty's and early seventy's. The easiest way to feed them is cut them open with a sharp axe.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Roto baler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have used a roto baler for at least 10 years and like the fact I can leave the bale until a later time to move them if I want . Iusually leave in the field until time to feed then move a weeks supply at a time . I have about 15 acres of grass type hay that I cut and bale . The balers are not too complicated if you get an operators manual it is not too hard to figure out most problems.I am in the Tonganoxie,Kansa area .HTH.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Roto baler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Yes they use twine. They aren't that hard to run. First thing be sure and loosen the band brake on the bottom roller before you start. It is what determines the density or weight of your bale. When I was growing up there were more AC round balers than than all other brands combined. Didn't have to worry about getting hay into barn before it rained. But you could leave it in the field and let cows clean it up. They will take big winrows. Second gear on a 45 never snapping the clutch all the way in. Listening for twine arm to drop. We picked them up using one hay hook in your right hand and a glove on the left. Jam your fingers in the middle and hook it with the other.(didn't want much curve in your hook, couldn't get loose.
 
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