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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:58 am    Post subject: IDing early Ferguson. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

G'day all. I am attempting to ID my father's Ferguson, with the intention of putting it back in service. There is no battery, so my first question is it 6 or 12 volt.
I know the water pump needs replacing as a minimum, and there are oil leaks from most joints including the PTO.
It last ran around 8-10 years ago and has been garaged since then.

The aluminum serial number plate is still in existence under the steering wheel, but is corroded. There are 4 numerals stamped on it in descending order:
2
3
78 or 18

There is what appears to be a serial number on the front of the passenger side rear axle housing:
400207 R 02
The R is in a triangle.

The motor is to be a Standard unit with horizontal oil filter.

Is 400207 the serial number? If so then I know it should take a 12 volt battery.
Can the fuel type, variant or year of manufacture be IDed from the 4 numerals in the ID plate?

Thanks in advance for any help, If the above is not enough please let me know what is required and I will check the next time I visit my parents.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:26 am    Post subject: Re: IDing early Ferguson. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The number on the axle is probably a casting number. The number on the tag under the steering wheel should be the serial number. If that number is right it would be a 1950 TEA-20. I don't remember the serial number break but in June 1947 is when they switched to the standard engine. It would be a 6 volt tractor. Some of the others on here can tell you where to look on the TE tractors for casting dates,but if the number you gave is the stamped number at the bottom of the tag under the steering wheel then that is your serial number.
 


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:10 am    Post subject: Re: IDing early Ferguson. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I can't make any sense of that serial number but if it is a 1950 TEA20, I think it will be 12 volt.

Radagast's IP address indicates he is in Australia so there is 99.9% chance it will be a TEA20 (or TED20).

Perhaps Radagast could answer these questions:

Is this the engine in your tractor:



If so, it is a Ferguson TEA20 (or TED20).

What are the numbers cast into the transmission casing, right side, below the seat:



On my tractor "6 7 3" = 6 July 1953.

You mentioned "There are 4 numerals stamped on it in descending order" and I suspect you may be including an Australian delivery number which was stamped into the data plate on some Australian tractors.

Look only at the one letter and row of numbers after the "TE". What letter and numbers can you read and how many numerals after the "TE" on your data plate:



The letter should be "A" or "D", unless it is a diesel in which case the letter will be an "F".

Answer those questions and I think we will be able to tell you exactly what tractor you have!! Laughing

Bob in Oz
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:59 pm    Post subject: Re: IDing early Ferguson. Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Bob , I think you mean 1953. Smile
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 2:14 pm    Post subject: Re: IDing early Ferguson. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Very observant. It was a test to see if everyone was watching........

My mistake - now fixed!! Laughing
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:24 am    Post subject: Re: IDing early Ferguson. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

G'day Gents, yes I am an Aussie. That is the style of motor. I'm in Sydney, The tractor is 700km away at the moment, so I can't check the block.
As a new user I can't post photos or links, unfortunately. I do have a pic of the plate. The plate has no paint left, and is quite corroded. I could not make out any other details, such as the serial number. The digits are stamped roughly centrally in descending order and around 15-20mm high.

If it is a 6 volt unit is there an Australian supplier of appropriate batteries or do I need to buy a 12 volt conversion?
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:24 am    Post subject: Re: IDing early Ferguson. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You may find some helpful information at this site.
How to Identify Ferguson Agricultural Tractors

 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:53 pm    Post subject: Re: IDing early Ferguson. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You can buy 6 volt battery at any of the battery suppliers eg Century. Easy to find in Sydney
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: IDing early Ferguson. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

But careful - I am sure it is not a 6 volt tractor. I thought 1949 was the last year for 6 volt TEA20's?

The Lucas starter motor should have the voltage stamped on it, however if the starter motor looks like this, it is 12 volt:



The coil may also be marked with the voltage.

Unless converted, it is probably still Positive (+) to ground/earth.

Email the photo of your data plate to me and I'll post it here: bfulton@goldenwest.org.au

Bob in Queensland
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:25 pm    Post subject: Re: IDing early Ferguson. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Radagast wrote:
(quoted from post at 12:24:33 01/20/14) The digits are stamped roughly centrally in descending order and around 15-20mm high.

From this description it sounds like you are looking at the Australian delivery number . These were stamped on the id plate when unloaded in NSW. The numerals are much larger than the serial numbers and are quite roughly stamped . The correct serial number is very neat , starts with TE, and then an A or D followed by a number as per Bob's post .
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:01 pm    Post subject: Re: IDing early Ferguson. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

No...they changed to 12 volt in 1951. Starting at serial 200,001.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:24 am    Post subject: Re: IDing early Ferguson. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thank gents. I rechecked my photo of the plate, there is a serial number stamped across the bottom, but its completely illegible.
So far I've not found a 6 volt battery online that is less than $300, a bit more than I want to pay. I'll keep looking. I'm assuming deep cycle batteries are not whats required.

Will a normal battery charger from Super Cheap or Repco do the job or will a 6 volt battery require a special charger?

Were all Australian TEAs 6 volt? If they were a mix of 6 & 12 then I'll hold of purchasing the battery until I've rechecked the machine to find out the year.

Thanks for your time and knowledge.

All the best,

Ken
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:33 am    Post subject: Re: IDing early Ferguson. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Photos of Radagast's TEA20:








 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:51 am    Post subject: Re: IDing early Ferguson. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

What do the photos tell me:

Photo 1. Standard engine, TEA20 or TED20. I am almost sure that is a 12 volt Lucas starter? The voltage should be stamped into the casing.

Photo 2. Casting number. Doesn't mean anything.

Photo 3. Something odd? It appears there is no dash air intake vent? I have a vague recollection the early TEA20's did not have a dash vent? It appears the battery ground is still attached to the back of the dash and should be moved to a better earth.

Photo 4. Those vertical numbers (2 4 19??) are not the serial number, probably the Australian delivery number? Charles is the expert on Australian delivery numbers... Laughing

The serial number along the bottom is not readable however I think I can see an "A" and a series of numbers?

The date on the transmission housing may be the best guide? Also that data plate may clean up enough to read the serial number, with very fine sandpaper?

If it is 6 volt, 6 volt batteries are around the same price as 12 volt batteries, $100 to $150. Try Repco, Supercheap or your local tyre service.

A 6 volt battery needs a 6 volt battery charger, although most battery chargers are switchable between 6 and 12 volts.

Bob in Oz
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:49 pm    Post subject: Re: IDing early Ferguson. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

They never got the air intake on the dash until they went to the 85mm engine which was in 1951.
 
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