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ben70b
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:24 pm    Post subject: Breaking the bead Reply to specific post Reply with quote

We been tryin to break the bead on an old Goodyear 13.6-38,
been trying to drive splitting wedges all the way around the
bead with no luck. The rim is still not he tractor, is there any
tricks?
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Breaking the bead Reply to specific post Reply with quote

i use a chain and a handyman jack, or the bucket on the loader, or the backhoe. i have a bead sledge too, just too much work. if the tire has been on for eons, and the bead is kinda rusty. take the tire and rim off the tractor, put it outside. pour a cup of gasoline around the bead and let it sit overnight. do not light the gas. the gas will soften the bead a little so its comes off easier. here is a pic of the handyman jack and the chain trick. be careful so the jack doesnt slip and hit you.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Breaking the bead Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Yes there are tricks and also using the correct tool for the job worked far better then trying things not made for the job.
The trick is soapy water and lot of it and let it soak in for a bit
The tools a TRUE tire hammer or true tire slide bar hammer. A splitting wedge is not made for that job and can in fact get you hurt by flying out and getting you. To me tires are child's play but then I did do it for a living at one time and I have All the correct tools
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Breaking the bead Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I do the same thing except instead of the chain I put the jack under the drawbar of my tractor.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Breaking the bead Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hi
I had A tire on a 6410 Deere front wheel I beat on it for about 30 mins it never budged. I found a real good trick for that!.
I Took the wheel off and let the tire shop figure it out in town.
They had a huge industrial tire machine. Guys did it while I was there, The hydraulic breaker on the machine struggled with it, to move the bead it was so tight with rust.
That $100 I spent of my bosses money, was the best $100 of his I spent for a while L.O.L
Regards Robert
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Breaking the bead Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Well, you say old, but how old? Is the tire good enough to use? I assume that it is flat, so is it very cracked? A real old one is likely to be rusted onto the rim. If it is, the rust bond along with the increase in diameter due to the rust will make it pretty much impossible to slide from the rim. If it is no good, cut it around both sides with a recip saw, then cut the beads off with a cutting torch or cold chisel. If the tire is good, then there is less likelihood of a lot of rust. Then you need to take it off the tractor and push down next to the rim with loader, backhoe, excavator, HiLift jack, or truck, whatever you have.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Breaking the bead Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Trying to save the tire, it"s not I bad shape, the other one was
shot to hell so I took the reciprocating to it. I think we will try
the handyman jack tomorrow and see where that gets us.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Breaking the bead Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I've used a handyman jack with the tire still on the tractor, be darn careful not to get hit with the jack.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Breaking the bead Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Got it, used the handyman jack and a log chain, worked well and we were able to save the tire, thank you everyone!
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Breaking the bead Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have on those types put planks on the tire up against the rim and drove the Oliver 1650 or 1850 on the plank next to the rim. When I had the backhoe and dozer I used one or the other. Never had any luck with hammers and wedges. One time I had the trailer loaded with a coupla tractors and backed the hitch over the tire and used a bottle jack from the hitch down on the tire. The backhoe was the easiest. When the one side was broke down you can flip the tire over with the hoe without leaving the seat.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Breaking the bead Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Be very careful using a jack or other such things. I have known more then one guy go to the hospital because if doing that and it kicking back and out and breaking body parts. I will say and always say the correct tool for the job do not cut corners or they will cut you
 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Breaking the bead Reply to specific post Reply with quote

All of your tricks sound like they worked good,I was able to use my power down loader on a tire that was no good,I was just upset at the tire shop taking one off of my working tractor and denting the rim when they missed with the hammer, I let it go,but no way will they touch one of my show tractors.
 
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