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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:30 pm    Post subject: 1948 8n hard to start Reply to specific post Reply with quote

1948 8N 6volt starts right up but after you run it for an hour and shut it off, it won't start. Have to let it sit awhile then start it with ether and runs fine. Turns over just fine. Any thoughts.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:41 pm    Post subject: Re: 1948 8n hard to start Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Starts only with starting fluid could be a couple things. Low compression, bad gasket some place in the intake. Or the choke flap has lost its spring so not choking as well as it should
 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: 1948 8n hard to start Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks Old I will check it out!
 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:38 pm    Post subject: Re: 1948 8n hard to start Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Something else to try. With the air cleaner tube off put your hand over the end of the carb and see if you get a good suction. You should have a good suction and also have gas on your hand when you try to start it that way. Matter of fact it may start doing that if you do not hold your hand there to long
 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 3:25 am    Post subject: Re: 1948 8n hard to start Reply to specific post Reply with quote

My late '47 8N had the same problem when I first bought it 5 yrs. ago. PO had done a half-arsed 12v conversion. Always started great cold but was a PITA once warmed up. Turns out he had installed a dropping resistor in the line to the coil. The coil in fact was a 12v coil & needed no resistor (other than original ballast resistor) for correct coil current. Starts first grunt now, cold or hot.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:16 am    Post subject: Re: 1948 8n hard to start Reply to specific post Reply with quote

when it is hard to start.. start standard diagnostics.

check spark first.. go from there.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:19 pm    Post subject: Re: 1948 8n hard to start Reply to specific post Reply with quote


I'll expand a bit on what soundguy is saying......you don't know if you have a fuel, spark or compression problem.

You need to isolate the problem step by step and work from most likely to least likely. Jumping ahead to 'so-and-so said it could be whatever' or just replacing parts usually just wastes your time and your money. I know it did for me. Remember, it takes three things for an engine to run: spark at the right time, compression, & fuel in the right mixture. For the moment, forget about compression & concentrate on narrowing the problem to fuel or spark. If you donít do that, you are going to end up chasing your tail around that tractor & spending a boatload of money to fix what could easily be a loose wire or failure to turn the fuel on.

There are three very important tools you always need to have in your N tool box: a 3 inch piece of wire w/ alligator clips on each end, an old spark plug w/ the gap opened to at least 3/16Ē ( ľĒ is better) and a 7/16 box end wrench. (see tip # 50 at the link below) And, you really do need a working ammeter on the tractor; it is a very important diagnostic tool. With these tools, you can quickly narrow down most N problems to spark or fuel.

Next time it stops, check quickly for fuel then spark. When I say quickly, I mean get off the seat, grab the tools & do it right then. Do not wait a minute or two. First, check for fuel. Get a can & put it under the carb. Remove the bolt in the bottom of the carb; as long as the fuel is turned on, you should see gas flowing out of the carb. Let it run for at least 30 seconds. If itís a dribble, or runs for 5 seconds & stops, or none at all, you have solved half the problem: itís fuel related. If gas flows well out of the carb & only stops when you turn it off at the sediment bowl, chances are very good itís not a fuel problem. So, next, turn the key on, crank the engine & look at the ammeter. What is the needle doing? Does it show a constant discharge, no movement at all, or does it move back & forth slightly? Next, get the old plug, ground it to a rust & paint free spot on the engine, turn the key on & crank the engine. If the spark jumps the 3/16Ē gap, you probably donít have a spark problem. If it wonít jump the 3/16Ē gap, you have a spark problem. If the ammeter needle shows a constant discharge, or doesnít move at all, that also tells you that you have a spark problem. Jump the ignition switch w/ your jumper wire & see what happens. If it runs, you found the problem. If it doesnít have spark after you jump the ignition switch, post back for more info on further troubleshooting. (and do not forget to turn the ignition switch off; see tip # 38)

If it does not have gas coming out of the carb at a steady stream w/ the bolt out for at least 30 seconds, you have a fuel problem. First, remove the gas cap. Your vent could be clogged & it vacuum locked. If that doesnít work, tap the carb bowl w/ a hammer handle in case the float is sticking closed. (donít whack it w/ the head of the hammer; you can crack the bowl). If you still donít see gas flowing, the N has three fuel screens; one in the brass elbow, one in the top of the sediment bowl & one on the stem of the sediment bowl in the gas tank. Check the screen in the elbow & the screen in the top of the sediment bowl. (donít worry about the one in the tank) Both probably need to be cleaned. If you have the fuel knob turned on all the way, & 1 gallon or less in the tank, it may be trying to feed off of the reserve inlet which is probably clogged. Only open it 2 full turns. Put at least 2 gallons in the tank. (and do not forget to turn the gas off; see tip # 9)

There are ways to check for spark & fuel that work & ways that don't. For example, having gas to the carb is nice, but having it past the float is what counts! Thatís why removing the 7/16Ē bolt in the bottom of the carb is the way to check for fuel. And, same thing w/ spark at the plugs. Some folks think that checking for spark means pulling a plug wire off & looking for one. Well, it's the distance the spark jumps at the plug that gives you the info you want. It takes about 17kv to jump a 3/16" gap & 22kv to jump ľĒ in the open air. Remember, itís 14psi outside of the engine & about 90psi at a 6:1 compression ratio in the cylinders & compressed air creates electrical resistance, so you really need the 17-22kv to fire the plugs when the engine is running. A store bought plug checker will work better than an old plug because it wonít shock the snot out of you like an old plug might!
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