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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:13 pm    Post subject: case jx1060c Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Does anyone know what are good substitutes for case oils and fluids? Oil, brake fluid, hydraulic oil, gear oil, final drive oil etc. Thanx
 
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:33 am    Post subject: Re: case jx1060c Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I learned the following during my many years at Caterpillar. Generally speaking, farm implement companies (and Cat)branded state-of-the-art oils (and other fluids) that were produced by Oil Companies such as AMACO, Pennzoil, Quaker State, etc.

For other that a very few exceptions, feel comfortable to go get your lubes from Farm & fleet, Sam's Club, FS, etc. The terms "universal" and "heavy duty" covers most all of the history of lube improvements made over the years.

Everything below could be wasting your time if you are not curious. LOL You decide.

A small but generally insignificant change in the percent of additives could circumvent "truth in advertising" laws and allowed excessive claims regarding "better". A branded label (Case, Cat, or other brands) and company-sponsored advertising about "superior oils" gave dealerships extra income/profit that would otherwise go to fuel suppliers, service stations, Farm & Fleet, Sam's Club, etc. I have no problem with that. Independent dealerships needed help with their bottom line--- not so with oil companies.

Turbocharging and powershift clutches did demand certain lube additives but those new lubes became "universal" because turbos and powershift trannys became "universal".

Cat was a leader in developing turbos and stronger gears. Cylinder ring-sticking showed up quickly in the turbocharged engine test lab. Cat "invented" the engine oil formula to stop ring sticking. The formula became "universal".

EP additives in gear oils was necessary so the bulldozer could push against a tree at stall torque which tended to destroy gear teeth. Farm tractors and highway vehicles did not have this requirement. Cat formulated the EP gear oil. It also became "universal".

Caterpillar had an oils lab that could determine the additives in anybody's oil so we knew about TCH, etc.

Generally speaking unless your engine is antique, with likely 50+ years of crud still stuck in its lube passages, get yourself a supply of 15-40 for your latest diesel and also use it in your internally clean lawnmower one-banger and everything else in-between. Any "universal, heavy duty", hy-tran oils will work great in all your old hydraulic systems. Any 85w-40 gear oil will work great in all your old gear boxes.

The modern higher detergent fluids will have no bad affects on metal surfaces found in older equipment. Ethanol (alcohol) was found to have negative effects on older rubber o-ring compounds, some gasket materials, and some other non-metallic materials. Manufacturers were quick to find other compounds not attacked by alcohols.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:49 pm    Post subject: Re: case jx1060c Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanx Ron Sa. An airplane mechanic friend confirmed your statement. He said the fluids he uses on aircraft are proprietary and substitution could cause and have caused fatal accidents but tractors are fine with universal fluids.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:54 am    Post subject: Re: case jx1060c Reply to specific post Reply with quote

We learned that 10w petroleum based oils, without additives (non-detergents), started loosing their ability to lubricate at about 250 degrees. Hydraulic oil was basically 10w. 250 degree temperature drove the sizing of oil coolers.

Additives that reduced the amount that oil thinned out as temperature rose gave rise to nomenclatures such as 10w-30. This viscosity-stabilized oil would lubricate okay at a little higher temperature. 10w-30 became recognized, by the general public, as an engine oil label.

I suspect that Case TCH got this same additive for use as hydraulic oil because the COM torque converter drove its oil temperature up because of inefficiency. TCH was probably a "10w-30" hydraulic oil but could not be labeled as such to avoid it being mistakes as engine oil.

Today, hyd-tran oils are probably 10w-30 but the 10w-30 label needs to still be avoided so it does not end up mistakenly in engines. As we know, engine oil needs to deal with combustion "crud" and therefore needs a different detergent package than hy-tran oil.

TCH may could have rightly been called the first hy-tran oil but now any hy-tran oils can replace TCH.

The proprietary oil, used in aircraft, is probably formulated for temperatures well above 250 degrees so it does not loose it ability to lubricate. We know that synthetic oil tend to be good up to 400 degrees. I would guess that aircraft oils have a synthetic additive package.
 
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