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Sean in PA
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:22 am    Post subject: Re: Need help with ID of my 4 cyl diesel Ford Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Carle wrote:
(quoted from post at 22:23:34 11/27/17) Does the fact that it has a spin on oil filter and is a 4 cylinder diesel help narrow things down?


All of the 1955-1964 4 cylinder models could have a kit installed to convert them to a spin-on filter if they didn't come with one.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: Need help with ID of my 4 cyl diesel Ford Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Serial number will tell what year it is but not the model.
Model number is located behind the serial number.
Casting number on the right side of the engine will tell if it's a 144 ci 2000 engine or a 172 ci 4000 engine and years that engine was produced.
If it does have the select o speed trans there's 3 different casting numbers for the six years it was used in 59-64 model tractors.
Rear axle numbers will also help in id'ing the tractor.

I'm not familure with the high crop models but the info I've found doesn't match with what I see in the photo.
The info I've found indicates a high crop is a standard utility with long drop spindles and 38" rear tires.
The photo shows a tractor with long drop spindles and off set roll crop rear axle.
Casting number and any date codes will help determine what you have.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:03 am    Post subject: Re: Need help with ID of my 4 cyl diesel Ford Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Sean in PA wrote:
(quoted from post at 10:22:42 11/28/17)
Carle wrote:
(quoted from post at 22:23:34 11/27/17) Does the fact that it has a spin on oil filter and is a 4 cylinder diesel help narrow things down?


All of the 1955-1964 4 cylinder models could have a kit installed to convert them to a spin-on filter if they didn't come with one.


True that using the adapter any model can have the spin on filter, but the 60-64 172 block C0NN6015J block was cast for spin on filter and didn't use the adapter.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:04 am    Post subject: Re: Need help with ID of my 4 cyl diesel Ford Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Serial number will tell what year it is but not the model.
Model number is located behind the serial number.
Casting number on the right side of the engine will tell if it's a 144 ci 2000 engine or a 172 ci 4000 engine and years that engine was produced.
If it does have the select o speed trans there's 3 different casting numbers for the six years it was used in 59-64 model tractors.
Rear axle numbers will also help in id'ing the tractor.

I'm not familure with the high crop models but the info I've found doesn't match with what I see in the photo.
The info I've found indicates a high crop is a standard utility with long drop spindles and 38" rear tires.
The photo shows a tractor with long drop spindles and off set roll crop rear axle.
Casting number and any date codes will help determine what you have.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:58 am    Post subject: Re: Need help with ID of my 4 cyl diesel Ford Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Provided everything is original, especially the hood and air intake at the manifold, that is a 4000 of the 63-64 vintage. 2000s would have been all blue except for fenders and wheels.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Need help with ID of my 4 cyl diesel Ford Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Agree, 4000 gray hood, 2000 blue hood, if original paint or correct repaint
Didn't know 2000 had a different intake pipe.

Edit: After searching I'm guessing your referring the intake pipe being for a 63 or later model, same pipe used on both models.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Need help with ID of my 4 cyl diesel Ford Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Destroked 450 wrote:
(quoted from post at 09:04:17 11/28/17)
Serial number will tell what year it is but not the model.
Model number is located behind the serial number.
Casting number on the right side of the engine will tell if it's a 144 ci 2000 engine or a 172 ci 4000 engine and years that engine was produced.
If it does have the select o speed trans there's 3 different casting numbers for the six years it was used in 59-64 model tractors.
Rear axle numbers will also help in id'ing the tractor.

I'm not familure with the high crop models but the info I've found doesn't match with what I see in the photo.
The info I've found indicates a high crop is a standard utility with long drop spindles and 38" rear tires.
The photo shows a tractor with long drop spindles and off set roll crop rear axle.
Casting number and any date codes will help determine what you have.


Every pic that Have ever seen of a 4 cyl. row crop has been based on the row crop chassis. I have never seen one that was based on the utility chassis. A google search will show 3-4.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Need help with ID of my 4 cyl diesel Ford Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Destroked 450 wrote:
(quoted from post at 16:11:39 11/28/17)
Edit: After searching I'm guessing your referring the intake pipe being for a 63 or later model, same pipe used on both models.


Yep! you got it figured out. I don't know when they quit that ugly big square box intake, but know 63-64 000s didn't have it anymore.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Need help with ID of my 4 cyl diesel Ford Reply to specific post Reply with quote


My 62 881D has the box air cleaner, do care much for it but don't care for the air cleaners hanging off the side of the hood ether.
To bad the battery got in the way of the under hood gas type air cleaner on the diesel models.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Need help with ID of my 4 cyl diesel Ford Reply to specific post Reply with quote

OK thanks everyone. I am not going to see the tractor until early next week to check out everything I have been told to positively ID this tractor.I will advise this forum when I do. Thanks
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:11 am    Post subject: Re: Need help with ID of my 4 cyl diesel Ford Reply to specific post Reply with quote

OK I have spent some time getting numbers. And sure enough the serial and model number were right where you guys told me to look. Unfortunately they are hard to read.
Model# 12010 can't be certain
Serial# 160234 or 10234 The last three numbers were clear. Pretty much a guess of first two numbers. So not sure how much help that is.
Left side of engine. Just above oil pan. 4030
right side of engine. CONN60115J
Right side of trans. 310835 below that 3J9

The wheelbase was 76". That points to a model 2000 I believe.
Comments fellas?
Thanks
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Need help with ID of my 4 cyl diesel Ford Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Guys, correct if I'm wrong, but I don't believe there was a 12010 model in that era. It could be a 41201, 4000 w/4 spd and 540 PTO.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Need help with ID of my 4 cyl diesel Ford Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Larry NCKS wrote:
(quoted from post at 16:15:43 12/04/17)
Guys, correct if I'm wrong, but I don't believe there was a 12010 model in that era. It could be a 41201, 4000 w/4 spd and 540 PTO.


Can't edit so an add: Forgot this is a diesel, therefore you're partially reading your model # which is 41201D rather than 12010. Your final digit is actually the D rather than 0. The D suffix designates a diesel powered unit. Gasoline units would not have a suffix.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Need help with ID of my 4 cyl diesel Ford Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Model # 12010 doesn't work, look to see if there's another number in front of the 1, also make sure the last 0 isn't a D

C0NN60115J has too many 1's
C0NN6015J is a 172 ci engine number used on the 4000 model

If the model # is 41201D it would be
4 = 4000
1= built in 63
20 = utility type with adjustable wide front axle
1 = 4 spd trans with pto
D = diesel engine

Serial # 160234 is consistent with a 63 model tractor
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Need help with ID of my 4 cyl diesel Ford Reply to specific post Reply with quote

yes I was wrong only one 1.
CONN6015J
I really am not going to be able to do better on the model/serial #'s. Badly corroded.
 
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