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Logan in SE Texas
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:55 am    Post subject: Stumbled into an easy solution Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I'm helping a neighbor who lost everything from flooding due to Harvey. He has a Toro zero turn with a 23hp Kawasaki engine. We were working on it and needed to get the old gas out of the tank and it wasn't draining well at all. I tried blowing on the fill hole but it was too big to get a good seal. After pondering the situation and scanning around my shop I stumbled onto a solution. I got my electric leaf blower and stuck it in the fill hole and gave it a few shots and it pushed all the nasty gas out, had some clumps of stuff come out too. My neighbor thought that this trick was the neatest thing and i was just happy to get the tank completely empty. blew out all the hoses with air compressor, hooked everything back up and poured in a can of Seafoam and some fresh gas. Haven't got to the point of trying to start engine yet but at least we know it will have fresh clean gas.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:10 am    Post subject: Re: Stumbled into an easy solution Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Oh boy, didn't you know a electric motor creates a spark. You were very lucky.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:11 am    Post subject: Re: Stumbled into an easy solution Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I was just going to say the same thing.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:09 am    Post subject: Re: Stumbled into an easy solution Reply to specific post Reply with quote

As others have said, the electric leaf blower was NOT a good idea!

Since you had compressed air to use, a rag wrapped around the air nozzle would have created the needed seal at the tank opening.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:37 am    Post subject: Re: Stumbled into an easy solution Reply to specific post Reply with quote

even worse is shop vac. 2 killed in explosion/fire in garage a year or so ago in Lincoln using wet vac to empty gas tank.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:46 am    Post subject: Re: Stumbled into an easy solution Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You were fortunate in that you did not earn yourself one of the Darwin awards!
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:02 am    Post subject: Re: Stumbled into an easy solution Reply to specific post Reply with quote

A gaggle of alarmist for nothing!!! Some of you should just stay safely in bed.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:21 am    Post subject: Re: Stumbled into an easy solution Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I disagree with JMOR in principle. If the leaf blower had a 20 ft hose on it, or a blow port on a shop vac with 20 ft of hose, It would be safe. I see the issue being one of using a hose into a container to prevent splashing and potential fire/explosion of the pushed out material. Risky, uncertain practices are not advisable even if it worked once. The Challenger disaster was clearly an example of a problem waiting to happen. Jim
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:27 am    Post subject: Re: Stumbled into an easy solution Reply to specific post Reply with quote

And so, the "safety police" come out of the woodwork to tell you what you did wrong.

Don't forget to add that your insurance might not cover that.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:29 am    Post subject: Re: Stumbled into an easy solution Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Janicholson wrote:
(quoted from post at 11:21:41 12/01/17) I disagree with JMOR in principle. If the leaf blower had a 20 ft hose on it, or a blow port on a shop vac with 20 ft of hose, It would be safe. I see the issue being one of using a hose into a container to prevent splashing and potential fire/explosion of the pushed out material. Risky, uncertain practices are not advisable even if it worked once. The Challenger disaster was clearly an example of a problem waiting to happen. Jim
well, Jan, everything is a disaster waiting to happen! Crossing a street for example. Good to know valuable info such as 20 feet is beyond the greatest distance gas vapor can travel and still ignite.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:51 am    Post subject: Re: Stumbled into an easy solution Reply to specific post Reply with quote

JMOR wrote:
( Good to know valuable info such as 20 feet is beyond the greatest distance gas vapor can travel and still ignite.


20 feet, we don't need no steenk'in 20 feet to be safe!

PLEASE don't try this at home!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Z295lQgV0
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:55 am    Post subject: Re: Stumbled into an easy solution Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I don't see the real danger in what you did.

Big difference in blowing into a tank than sucking fumes out with a shop vac.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:13 am    Post subject: Re: Stumbled into an easy solution Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Whats not being factored in is the fuel/oxygen ratio for inition, plus gasoline vapors are heavier than air so they will sink to ground level. Most any shop will have gasoline emmitting vapors while electric motors operate.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:39 am    Post subject: Re: Stumbled into an easy solution Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Janicholson wrote:
(quoted from post at 10:21:41 12/01/17) I disagree with JMOR in principle. If the leaf blower had a 20 ft hose on it, or a blow port on a shop vac with 20 ft of hose, It would be safe. I see the issue being one of using a hose into a container to prevent splashing and potential fire/explosion of the pushed out material. Risky, uncertain practices are not advisable even if it worked once. The Challenger disaster was clearly an example of a problem waiting to happen. Jim


10 out of 10 engineers that dealt with the o-rings told NASA not to launch at those temperatures. NASA had the president coming and really wanted to launch so they ignored the engineers unanimous response that NASA themselves asked for. They asked for professional and sound advice and completely ignored it, with predictable result. Someone should have been tried for manslaughter or negligent homicide.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:59 am    Post subject: Re: Stumbled into an easy solution Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Steve@Advance wrote:
(quoted from post at 10:55:08 12/01/17) I don't see the real danger in what you did.

Big difference in blowing into a tank than sucking fumes out with a shop vac.


Yes,Yes big difference. with vacuum you are pulling fumes right into the motor. With blower you are pushing air.
 
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