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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:26 pm    Post subject: Gas or Diesel Tractor hauler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have said this somewhere before. But here goes. Was at Tunica Ms. Tractor pull. A good friend and I was leaving to come home to Southern Il. He has a 2011 F250 4x4 crewcab 6.7 Diesel. I have a 2016 F250 4x4 crewcab 6.2 Gas. His rig probably weighed 2500 lb.more Than mine. My trailer is 14000 gvw. His is 20000 gvw.we both filled up at same station. Stopped at Boomland in Mo. To fuel up. My truck held 23.? Gal. Cost $53.??. His truck held 19.? GAL. COST $53.??. Think he got 11.? Mpg and I got 9.? Mpg. We drove 70 to 75. Not much difference accelerating from 0 to get 75. But mine shifted a lot more. You have to keep your foot in it. A Diesel was $8000 more when I was looking. But they are worth more to trade.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 5:09 am    Post subject: Re: Gas or Diesel Tractor hauler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I dont think a diesel pencils out unless you just need the extra torgue. For occasional use gas seems to be the way to go.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:47 am    Post subject: Re: Gas or Diesel Tractor hauler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

But I have other considerations. I am looking into the future. What I see on the political and economic horizon is not good. I have owned both gas and diesel trucks. The only other fuel you can get by with for a gas burner is naptha type paint thinner. But for my diesels I can burn any type of combustible oil: used motor oil, used ATF, transformer oil, peanut oil, safflower oil, canola oil, soybean oil, etc. I ran my Cummins Dodge for 6 months on nothing but used ATF. At present I dump 3 gallons of filtered used motor oil into every diesel fill-up. Improves fuel mileage, gives more power, makes my engines run quieter, lubricates the pump, and provides over 60 miles of free driving per tankful. The other day I was in a salvage grocery store. I found two 5 gallon containers of new peanut oil at $9 each. That's a steal. I bought both. The proprietor asked me what in the world I was going to do with all that peanut oil. I said I was going to burn it in my tractors and trucks. I put 5 gal. into my Case 995 and 5 gal. into my Dodge truck. Smells so good running down the road or plowing. Plus, there is the evaporation and long term non-use factors. I went with a friend to look at a "91 Cummins Dodge that had been in the woods for years. There was still fuel in the tank. Didn't smell so good, but the motor cranked right away when we put a hot battery on it, and purred like a kitten. A gas burner would have required probably $500-$1000 worth of tune up work, and probably cleaning out the fuel tank. I once bought a MF Perkins 135 that had been parked in the woods for 5 years. Still had fuel in the tank. Put a hot battery on it, cranked it right up and drove it. A gas burner would have required expensive and time consuming work to get it running. So, you can limit your considerations to MPG and initial cost if you want to, but for me, there are far more important factors to consider.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:11 am    Post subject: Re: Gas or Diesel Tractor hauler Reply to specific post Reply with quote


 
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Gas or Diesel Tractor hauler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have both, and I would not buy a newer diesel. They are too complicated. I have a 2002 Ford F250 and a 2003 Dodge 3500 dually. I just
drove a 2000 mile trip this week to Texas and back, pulling a 32 ft. trailer. I got 10 mpg empty and about 8 loaded. I have a Freightliner
with a Detroit diesel and it gets about 7 hauling 3 times as much weight. I had a Ford F350 with a V10 and it was about 2 mpg less than
the diesels. You can buy the gas trucks a lot cheaper.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Gas or Diesel Tractor hauler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Yup, my experience is 1 mpg less with a V10 Ford than the 6.0 I had before. Same trailer and load. The diesel would get much better mileage when using it as a car.

Can buy a reman long block for the v10 for less than a fuel system repair on a diesel.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Gas or Diesel Tractor hauler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Just a word to the wise,the fine(if you get inspected)for atf/used oil in the tank is the same as red diesel in the tank.(They do not test for color) A friend of mine was buying used trucks that would pump a gal of motor oil into the fuel tank, and then pump a gal of new oil into the oil pan. One of his trucks had the tanks dipped in Ia and the last time I talked to him the fine was $10,000.00. He was fighting the fine but he probably will pay $9.000.00 in fees to get it throne out of court.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 6:56 am    Post subject: Re: Gas or Diesel Tractor hauler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have an 05 F350 with v-10 and it pulls very well. You have to get used to more shifting and higher rpms, but that is where gas engines are designed to run. I made this run from Mn. to Wy. last year and got just under 8mpg round trip. The rest of the time doing the short trips I do I get 11-12mpg. I only put on 5-7000 miles a Year so I can't justify a diesel for that.


 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:22 am    Post subject: Re: Gas or Diesel Tractor hauler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Walter Buller wrote:
(quoted from post at 15:47:09 12/23/17) But I have other considerations. I am looking into the future. What I see on the political and economic horizon is not good. I have owned both gas and diesel trucks. The only other fuel you can get by with for a gas burner is naptha type paint thinner. But for my diesels I can burn any type of combustible oil: used motor oil, used ATF, transformer oil, peanut oil, safflower oil, canola oil, soybean oil, etc. I ran my Cummins Dodge for 6 months on nothing but used ATF. At present I dump 3 gallons of filtered used motor oil into every diesel fill-up. Improves fuel mileage, gives more power, makes my engines run quieter, lubricates the pump, and provides over 60 miles of free driving per tankful. The other day I was in a salvage grocery store. I found two 5 gallon containers of new peanut oil at $9 each. That's a steal. I bought both. The proprietor asked me what in the world I was going to do with all that peanut oil. I said I was going to burn it in my tractors and trucks. I put 5 gal. into my Case 995 and 5 gal. into my Dodge truck. Smells so good running down the road or plowing. Plus, there is the evaporation and long term non-use factors. I went with a friend to look at a "91 Cummins Dodge that had been in the woods for years. There was still fuel in the tank. Didn't smell so good, but the motor cranked right away when we put a hot battery on it, and purred like a kitten. A gas burner would have required probably $500-$1000 worth of tune up work, and probably cleaning out the fuel tank. I once bought a MF Perkins 135 that had been parked in the woods for 5 years. Still had fuel in the tank. Put a hot battery on it, cranked it right up and drove it. A gas burner would have required expensive and time consuming work to get it running. So, you can limit your considerations to MPG and initial cost if you want to, but for me, there are far more important factors to consider.


Lol!! My heavy hauler is a gas burner Chevy Kodiac GVWR 31,000 pounds truck. It pulls a tandem dual equipment trailer. It can and does sit for months at a time sometimes, and always starts instantly. The engine oil stays bright and clean from one oil change to the next. It was purchased new by a fuel delivery company and run for 200,000 miles. Then I got it and have put another 30,000 on it so far using it for personal use.

230,000+ miles and it runs like new yet. Uses no engine oil between changes.

It runs on propane, and has since it was brand new. The only downside is the limited availability of fueling stations. Finding them is more difficult than finding gasoline of diesel fuel, but not impossible. If this country was serious about alternative fuel sources, propane pumps would be installed at all truck stops and many gas stations. It would be relatively easy and inexpensive to do. Having been a fuel transport truck driver for 20 years, I'm very familiar with the infrastructure and have hauled and delivered millions of gallons of gasoline, diesel, and propane. Adding propane storage tanks and pumps to existing fuel stations wouldn't be a big deal at all. The supply infrastructure has been in existence for a long time. This country has so much propane that much of it is shipped overseas now.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:35 am    Post subject: Re: Gas or Diesel Tractor hauler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have a '12 GMC with the 6.0 gas. At the time i was shopping around for a truck i was going to buy the duramax until i started doing some research. For what i was going to do with it and the amount of time i would actually be hooked to a trailer, i bought the gas truck instead. I couldnt be more satisfied with this truck. It gets 17 to 19 mpg empty all day long and 9 to 10 pulling 10,000 lbs around in the summer going to pulls.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:25 am    Post subject: Re: Gas or Diesel Tractor hauler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

For me a diesel engine is made for one thing.
Pulling heavy loads for long distances 100% of the time.
While a diesel has its place in the 1 ton class they are far and few between.
The 2 ton class and above we can start talking diesel.

A diesel in a family owned pickup is just someone compensating for other short comings.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 7:23 am    Post subject: Re: Gas or Diesel Tractor hauler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Walter,
I for one think the economy is on the up and up. Though who knows things will continue that way or not... What you are talking about with burning used motor oil, peanut oils, ATF, etc in a diesel is a thing of the past. If I remember correctly, you have a 12 valve cummins. Well, you wouldn't want to burn that stuff in a newer high pressure common rail.

Anyways, for trailers under 15,000 lbs that are hauled a hand full of times per year, gas trucks are the way to go.
What they lack in torque compared to a diesel, they make up for with RPMS. You can rev a GM 6.0 to the sky to haul the steeper grades while in a lower gear. The result is generally being able to keep up.
If you wanted to haul a dually tandem 20k trailer, then I think you may be a bit outside gas truck territory unless its all flat traveling.
I doubt that I will own another diesel pickup. Its just not feasible for the 9-5 guy that plays with tractors on the weekend, and really not needed for most farmers either.

When I went looking for a new to me truck, I wanted one that would haul the loads, and be a feasible truck for my hunting needs.

Now if money isn't a concern, then we wouldn't be having this discussion. We don't drive our gasser HD trucks for the cool factor or manhood enlargement, we choose them because the cost of ownership is a lot less.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:31 am    Post subject: Re: Gas or Diesel Tractor hauler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

In years past: I have hauled some rather large loads with a 1 ton Ford ( Not a "dually ") with a 460 v8 and manual transmission. In 2003 I bought a super duty dually diesel (7.3) and have never regretted it. I have put 104,000 miles on it in the 14 years I have owned it. Having said that: I recently bought a super duty F250. It is a 6.2 gas. Saw no need for another diesel. Especially with all the air pollution garbage that is on them now. Pulling my 14k gvwr tongue hitch trailer hauling a 5000lb pulling tractor: gas will run 7 or 8 mpg. Diesel 9 to11. I do not have a gooseneck hitch in the gas. I figure if I need to hook to the 20k gvwr gooseneck I need the diesel.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Gas or Diesel Tractor hauler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I had a 5.4 gas f250 before. It pulled the same load but struggled on long grades. The 6.2 has over 100 hp. More. Plus 2 gears more in the transmission. No comparison.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Gas or Diesel Tractor hauler Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I get 13 mpg running 25000 gvw on the freeway at 75 mph my truck has 264000 miles on it my cousin had the 6.0 gas Chevy he got 7 pulling stock trailers. And about 10 to 12 with an empty truck . That weighed 8000 pounds my truck empty gets 17 to 17.5 mpg but I know how and do all the maintenance work myself that?s where the true expense comes in owning a diesel 150$ to 200$ for an oil change with the cheap oil 75 or 100$ to do a fuel filter I can do a oil change for under 100$ using full synthetic oil and the best filter fuel filters cost 15 to 25$ depending on if you ketch the filter sale or not . Then If you take an actual problem to the shop it gets real expensive real quick and for that reason I?d say get a gas unless your equipped and have the knowledge to do the repairs on a diesel yourself
 
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