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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:33 pm    Post subject: Re: splitter hydraulics once more Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Larry,
Thanks for your input. I'm gradually connecting the dots on all this.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: splitter hydraulics once more Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-Tech 7 wrote:
(quoted from post at 16:17:20 12/30/17) What will make this work really well, with no oil heating or pump cavitating is a selective control valve return oil kit, part #AR71945. If you need more help e-mail me.


Can you put a power beyond on his unit?
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:37 pm    Post subject: Re: splitter hydraulics once more Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Give me patience . We have been talking about a Power Beyond from the very start of the conversation .
A power beyond is connecting to full time full flow hydraulic pressure with only the valve on the loader/backhoe/logsplitter/air planter controlling the oil flow . The return oil instead of being dumped back into the sump. The return oil is routed to a point between the transmission pump discharge and the transmission filter inlet . Just like in the images of the tractor you showed us .
Now tell us the truth. Are you just jerking is around the topic for some entertainment ? Or are you seriously not grasping this ?
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:54 pm    Post subject: Re: splitter hydraulics once more Reply to specific post Reply with quote

He probably doesn?t get it you telling him the
hydraulics will explode on his tractor but then other
people that have split wood for years have got
along fine I?d say it would be pretty tough to know
what to do . I think I?d sell the tractor the logs the
splitter the fireplace and the house before I went
through this
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:13 pm    Post subject: Re: splitter hydraulics once more Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Won’t explode but they operate faster, smoother at a lower temperature due to more oil moving through the cooler .
Some people used only SCV because they didn’t know any better . Some thought that noise and shaking hoses was normal . Or they just don’t care as long as the ram moves .
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:11 am    Post subject: Re: splitter hydraulics once more Reply to specific post Reply with quote

jr1983 wrote:
(quoted from post at 21:33:42 01/01/1Cool

Can you put a power beyond on his unit?


This photo that firhead posted of the hyd fittings on his tractor is about as close to "power beyond" as I've ever seen installed on a JD utility tractor of this era IE his tractor already has PBY installed on it.


 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:38 am    Post subject: Re: splitter hydraulics once more Reply to specific post Reply with quote

OK I had it backwards. I was thinking you were picturing the return not the supply. Sorry for that. Also I would absolutely hook up a splitter in this manner. Never seen anything good come of tying a remote open in the long term though I'm sure it would split wood as is.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:54 am    Post subject: Re: splitter hydraulics once more Reply to specific post Reply with quote


For clarification blue arrow is for pressure connection & red arrow is for return connection

 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:20 am    Post subject: Re: splitter hydraulics once more Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Buick...I apologize for getting you so worked up. You guys keep working with me, I'm sure I will eventually grasp it but
this is all new territory for me. I am not "jerking is" around for entertainment. I'll take this opportunity to thank Tx
Jim, Cannonball and others who seem to gauge the degree of my ignorance and DO have the patience to help me out.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: splitter hydraulics once more Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Does anyone have a hydraulic schematic, for the tractor in question, that they could post for this gentleman?

We wouldn't expect a tech, let alone a novice with a limited understanding of hydraulic fundamentals, to diagnose or make changes to a hyd. system without a "road map"......

& before anyone chimes in with the 1 800 number for ordering manuals just ask yourself, am I not willing to share just that little bit of info. to help someone out?

As Tech 7 pointed out in his thread pertaining to this issue, not everyone here has the same knowledge base or skill set so please have some patience with those who have less experience.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:59 am    Post subject: Re: splitter hydraulics once more Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Power beyond hydraulics and ported oil filter returns have been a regular topic every week or two for the past 15 plus years . Any semi regular reader here should be up to speed on the topic .
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:49 am    Post subject: Re: splitter hydraulics once more Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Yes, I agree 100% & I only frequent the forums sporadically.

The subject of plumbing front end loader control valves is likely to be found within the first 5 pages at any given time

That said, I don't recall ever seeing a hydraulic schematic posted as a reference.

Regardless, do you think it's reasonable to expect a person who is untrained in hydraulic system fundamentals, much less the intricacies of a specific model of equipment, to pick up the necessary information from reading a bunch posts referring to one small portion of the entire system?


Anyway, you have been contributing on the YT forums for as long as I have been a member & from what I can gather you are very familiar with Deere's many models. This would lead me to the assumption that you either have access to the required technical literature(schematic) or at the very least would know someone who does.

So how about posting a schematic for all to see? I think the O.P. could then wrap his head around all of this with little further explanation......



buickanddeere wrote:
(quoted from post at 10:59:17 01/03/1Cool
Power beyond hydraulics and ported oil filter returns have been a regular topic every week or two for the past 15 plus years . Any semi regular reader here should be up to speed on the topic .

 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:27 am    Post subject: Re: splitter hydraulics once more Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Glen D Anderson
firhead doesn't need a complicated oil schematic for his tractor. All he needs to do is attach pressure(in) hose of ""closed center log splitter valve"" to male hyd fitting(blue arrow)then attach return hose(out) to female breakaway coupler(red arrow) of photo I posted then he has splitter valve attached as best can be accomplished.
Jim
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:22 pm    Post subject: Re: splitter hydraulics once more Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Jim,

I respect the fact that you & others know their business regarding these machines. The picture does an excellent job of showing where to make the connections but it does not explain the "why" which the O.P. seems interested in learning.

IMO, had a schematic been provided at the beginning along with your edited picture, the O.P. would have had his head wrapped around the principle with a handful of additional posts to give clarification.

None of my comments are meant to detract from the valuble information you & others on this forum provide, it's just a suggestion that may help in certain cases.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:32 pm    Post subject: Re: splitter hydraulics once more Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have some longer hoses being made to reach down under to make the connection as per Tx Jim's instructions. You're all in
agreement on this I assume, and again, I appreciate the common wisdom of you all. Somebody said this post was getting
"tired" - and he's right. Thanks for putting in time on this. When I report back on my successful hookup, it will be on a
NEW post - a short one.
In the meantime, yeah, I would like to find some schematics on this if anybody has suggestions. I am curious about how
the innards work for sure after all this.
Thanks again.
 
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