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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:17 pm    Post subject: Some help please with a Perkins engine. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks for adding me to the forum! I am working on a bit of an odd application. It's a Perkins 4cyl diesel engine in a 1972 Land Rover. I know absolutely nothing of the history of the vehicle, the engine, or the engine swap although I am quickly learning a bit about the Perkins diesels.

The oil pan on the engine has been hacked up...cut, welded, re-cut, and re-welded, until the mounting flange is warped beyond use. I can only assume it was cut up and pieced back together for clearance or sump location at some point to fit into something. I am trying to find a replacement oil pan.

I have been researching Perkins engines for a few hours now and I am getting a bit overwhelmed with just how many different engines and applications are out there. In starting my research I took numbers off of everything I could find from the cylinder head, valve cover, cover on the right side of the block, bottom of the oil pan, even off of the crankshaft webs and bearing caps. I got numbers off of everything except the ONE I needed....the serial number off of the block.

I do have a bunch of pictures and I was hoping one of you guys might point me in the right direction as to identifying which engine it is, possibly what it came out of, and where I might get an oil pan. The pan is not completely flat all the way around as most I have found pics of on line. It has a flat rail on either side and a "U" shaped cut out at the front and back to fit in the slots on the bearing caps/engine block.

Here's a pic of the engine:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/4jOc767.jpg?1[/img]
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I don't think the picture worked. Here is a link:
https://imgur.com/4jOc767
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Maybe this...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Here's the pic. I can't help much more.

 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It's one of the indirect injected Perkins, most likely the A4.192, 3.5 inch bore or the larger A4.203, 3.6 inch bore, both have a five inch stroke. If you can post the injection pump 324 number, I'll see if I can find which engine it is by the pump ID.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

worked on a willys jeep once that had an engine that looked like that, & was factory option---it was 192 c.i.--62 hp.perkins, IIRC
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Sure doesn't look much like the one in my MasseyFerguson 180.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

That's because this Perkins is smaller than the AD4.236 direct injected engine the 175-180 used.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

tell me more ??I have a j 200 1964 willys Kaiser with the tornado , motor , (Pontiac Tempest )i am told ??? ..i have a 300 MFcombine with a 4 cyl Perkins Diesel Engine ,,. I wonder if They are compatable to the 3 speed hi lo transmission ??
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-mite-help wrote:
(quoted from post at 17:28:24 01/02/1Cool worked on a willys jeep once that had an engine that looked like that, & was factory option---it was 192 c.i.--62 hp.perkins, IIRC




The Perkins 4.192 was available in Jeeps from 1961-1968, could be where that engine in the Land Rover came out of.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-olgentdc wrote:
(quoted from post at 21:05:17 01/02/1Cool tell me more ??I have a j 200 1964 willys Kaiser with the tornado , motor , (Pontiac Tempest )i am told ??? ..i have a 300 MFcombine with a 4 cyl Perkins Diesel Engine ,,. I wonder if They are compatable to the 3 speed hi lo transmission ??




It's not a Pontiac engine http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2012/06/classic-engine-jeeps-tornado-straight-six.html
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:43 am    Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I'm thinking it might well be a 4.203 -
quite a common transplant here in the UK.
Did it myself about 30 years ago - makes a
great towing vehicle! Fits a 1970's Land
Rover with a commercially available (way
back in the day) bell housing adapter. I
recognise the exhaust manifold as being the
same as on mine. Common 'donor' vehicle was
a Commer van. Good luck!
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 3:12 am    Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Does this look like it?
4.203 in Landrover

 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:30 am    Post subject: Re: Some help please with a Perkins engine. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The Pontiac OHC 6 uses a rubber timing belt. The Tornado used a timing chain.
 
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