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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:39 pm    Post subject: The 105 in Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Here's a picture of the 105 that I'll probably be bringing home. It has the corn head pictured and a 13' table that is completely rotted out. I have found a table off of a 55 that is in good shape, but I believe the width of the throat is different between these two machines. would I just take the rivets out of both feederhouses and weld the one from the 105 table into the 55 table?

If anyone know's somebody that could use this corn head I could be motivated to sell it and the table it has with it.


 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:27 am    Post subject: Re: The 105 in Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If these tables are like the ones I was around the feeder house comes off the table just like a more modern quick tach feeder house. Two or four bolts underneath come out, the drive shaft coupler is taken apart and the head comes off. The real old tables for the 105 and 55 might have been different.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:07 am    Post subject: Re: The 105 in Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

fixerupper wrote:
(quoted from post at 08:27:19 01/08/1Cool If these tables are like the ones I was around the feeder house comes off the table just like a more modern quick tach feeder house. Two or four bolts underneath come out, the drive shaft coupler is taken apart and the head comes off. The real old tables for the 105 and 55 might have been different.


If this is the case what stops somebody from being able to take the one of the throats out of a old style head like this and using it as a quick attach feederhouse?

I guess I'm asking what are the differences that prevent you from taking feederhouse out of the grain table and using it to mount up to newer heads? I don't know whats different between the two.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:08 am    Post subject: Re: The 105 in Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

would it be possible to turn it upside down and well in a new floor?
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:17 am    Post subject: Re: The 105 in Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The heads for these did (at least the late ones did) have interchangeable throats, but the geometry is somewhat different on them than say a true "Quick Tach" head. It
would take a lot to make your own quick tach.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:39 am    Post subject: Re: The 105 in Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-DeltaRed wrote:
(quoted from post at 10:08:30 01/08/1Cool would it be possible to turn it upside down and well in a new floor?


This was my original intentions but the head has sat outside in the dirt for the last 15 years. Even the sides of the head have rotted away. I have found a barn kept 13’ from a 55 that appears to be pretty decent for $250.

I think I was told that the throat on these heads was held in by a series of bolts. The plan would be to pull the 55 feederhouse off of this head and then bolt the 105 feederhouse up to the better head. Does anyone think this idea is unreasonable?
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:41 am    Post subject: Re: The 105 in Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-coonie minnie wrote:
(quoted from post at 10:17:44 01/08/1Cool The heads for these did (at least the late ones did) have interchangeable throats, but the geometry is somewhat different on them than say a true "Quick Tach" head. It
would take a lot to make your own quick tach.



Would welding a faceplate off of a 6600 or 7700 throat solve this geometry problem?

I appreciate all the help and advice on this guys. I’m just 19 and trying to make something out of all this without getting in major debt.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:16 am    Post subject: Re: The 105 in Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

This is straight out of a brochure for square back 45 through 105 combines. Grain headers are suppose to interchange between the 55, 95, and 105, except for the 12ft and 13ft headers. Those two sizes cannot fit both a 55/95 and a 105. Perhaps that's were you are having problems. I've switched headers between 55s and 95s with no problems. On the square backs the feederhouse stayed on the combine and detached from the header like modern headers do. JD used plates on both sides of the feederhouse to make up for the different widths between the three combines. I have manuals that I can look into to get more info. Also you might be better off just finding a 13ft header off of another 105 or another header off of a 95/105 that is bigger then 13ft so that it would fit your 105 with no issues.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:42 pm    Post subject: Re: The 105 in Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Go to the John Deere parts lookup site and type in combines or model 55 , 95 or 105 and bring up and print out the parts books free on line. Then lay pages dide by side to compair each spot with the part numbers and then you can get a good idea of what will interchange.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:48 pm    Post subject: Re: The 105 in Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Maybe... but I think the later quick taches might have been longer, and I can't answer if the drive shaft is even the exact same spot.

One other thing... you said you are 19 and not looking to go into debt. Why are you looking at the combine? They are neat old machines, but cost $$$ and time to get going and keep going. What are your
goals with it?

Not trying to discourage you (the skills you will learn will be worth a lot), but just trying to point out a few things.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:11 pm    Post subject: Re: The 105 in Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote


I appreciate your thoughts. I have always wanted to farm, I grew up with a family farm that has sense been all sold off when I wasn't old enough to be in a decision making capacity.

Here it is extremely hard to find anyone basically impossible to get any to custom cut a field less than 40-50 acres. Most people don't have the time of day to talk to anyone that is trying to start farming about custom cutting and when they do you could afford your own combine for the price they name off to custom cut.

My grandpa has a hay business that I help with and he is wanting to get into baling straw so this combine is to help me get started farming but it will cut wheat for him to bale. This is why I am looking at a combine. I have no hobbys other than farming. I hope this makes sense.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:31 pm    Post subject: Re: The 105 in Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The brochure is wrong. All platforms interchange between 55,95 and 105. My 105 came with a windrow pickup and we put the 13 ft with reel and sickle off my 95 right on it. I have used the heads off my 55 on the 95 as well. Tom
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:05 pm    Post subject: Re: The 105 in Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The throat is definatley going to be bigger on the 105,You can buy used owners manuals !
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:01 pm    Post subject: Re: The 105 in Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I wasn't clear enough and neither was the brochure. It states the straight 12/13ft headers are not interchangeable with a 105 with "large tires". I assume they mean the straight cut platform can't be used on a 105 because the tires would run over crop. 13ft on a 105 is kind a small even in todays yields. I'm just stating what the brochure says and don't doubt for a 2nd farmers/dealers figured a way around the problem. Obviously large tires wouldn't matter with pickup header. Plus this is a 1965 brochure and things might have changed later on. I know you can almost determine the year of these combines just by looking at the features or design they have and not the serial number. The reel and cutter bar should work on any header no matter which combine or width. I took a 16ft header off one of our 95s and cut the reel and cutter bar down so it would fit on a 14ft header I was making for our 55. Then I switched the reel arms, bell crank, pulleys, and whatever else was needed to complete the project. Its in my youtube videos.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:27 pm    Post subject: Re: The 105 in Question Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CVPost-greenenvy wrote:
(quoted from post at 21:01:54 01/08/1Cool I wasn't clear enough and neither was the brochure. It states the straight 12/13ft headers are not interchangeable with a 105 with "large tires". I assume they mean the straight cut platform can't be used on a 105 because the tires would run over crop. 13ft on a 105 is kind a small even in todays yields. I'm just stating what the brochure says and don't doubt for a 2nd farmers/dealers figured a way around the problem. Obviously large tires wouldn't matter with pickup header. Plus this is a 1965 brochure and things might have changed later on. I know you can almost determine the year of these combines just by looking at the features or design they have and not the serial number. The reel and cutter bar should work on any header no matter which combine or width. I took a 16ft header off one of our 95s and cut the reel and cutter bar down so it would fit on a 14ft header I was making for our 55. Then I switched the reel arms, bell crank, pulleys, and whatever else was needed to complete the project. Its in my youtube videos.


What is your channel name?
 
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