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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:09 pm    Post subject: Identify this cultivator Reply to specific post Reply with quote

By chance does anyone know what model this cultivator is? I see it's mounted on an M, but how difficult would it be to mount on a 450? Thank you!

 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Identify this cultivator Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I believe it will bolt on directly. There is a small length difference between them, but the front and rear components are not connected except by hydraulic hoses to the system. The remotes on the 450 will need to be adapted to the lines on the cultivator. I would also be cautious of the pressure differential between them. The M Liftall had maybe 750 to 850Psi, where as the 450 can see 1500psi. I do not think the cylinders would be dammged, but it is a consideration. Jim
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Identify this cultivator Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Now with a fast hitch, I imagine it would take a completely different rear gang than is shown? Does the cylinders for the main unit get plumbed into the cylinder for the fast hitch so everything goes up together?

With the herbicide resistance we are seeing, we are contemplating going back to cultivating. Our farm is small enough where cultivating is still very practical. I just start to get leery of doing three or four applications of chemicals like some guys are doing.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Identify this cultivator Reply to specific post Reply with quote

With a fast hitch on a tractor, you just have to get some prong's and be creative and attach the rear gang to the two point.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Identify this cultivator Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I agree with the idea of the rear gang needing a small tool bar and 2 point, Assuming the 450 fast hitch covers the axles in a way that prevents the gangs from working. The sign on the tractor says it is a number-8 cultivator. Jim
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Identify this cultivator Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Maybe an M-448?
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Identify this cultivator Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Bingo, I think that's it!
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Identify this cultivator Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I am going to make you upset possibly , but why wouldn't you leave it on the "M" and use it as intended . The M would do just as well cultivating and you would still have a useful 450 with fast hitch for other projects.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Identify this cultivator Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I don't think he owns the M. So leaving it on there is not optional. Jim
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Identify this cultivator Reply to specific post Reply with quote

There is a difference in width between M and 450. The 450 is wider by some where around 1/2" or more.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:27 am    Post subject: Re: Identify this cultivator Reply to specific post Reply with quote

No, they are the exact same width. You can pass a tape measure through right behind the radiator and measure for yourself.

The hydraulics would be connected to the outlets under the gas tank. That's what they're there for. Right gang to the right outlets, left gang to the left. You'll need to shift the hydraulic remotes to single acting mode, which means removing the cowl over the steering column.

This way the cultivator can be controlled the way it was designed. Each section lifted independently.

Pressure is not an issue unless you hold the levers for extended periods after the cylinders reach their end of travel. Being so old odds are the packings aren't all that great, and they may blow out or begin to leak.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:38 am    Post subject: Re: Identify this cultivator Reply to specific post Reply with quote

That's correct, I actually do not own either tractor at this time. I've found one of these cultivators and before I buy it, I wanted to determine if it would fit the tractor I want to add to the stable.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Identify this cultivator Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that cultivator pictured have the gangs that swing with the movement of the steering ? Kinda cool!
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Identify this cultivator Reply to specific post Reply with quote

They are different in width. I took the front hitch off my M and put it on the 450 And had to add washers to get it to fit. If you look at
the picture of 450 you can see gap on both sides of front hitch where its bolted together. The 1951 M bolted on with no gap.


 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Identify this cultivator Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have one of those on my M. That attachment cut my herbicide use more than 50%. I got mine down to 30" rows, which is a pretty tight squeeze for that cultivator. I didn't use the rear gangs for a couple years because I was cultivating and knifing 28% at the same time. Set at 30" it's kind of a pain to remove and install because the innermost standards have to be loosened and slid out to get the tractor out. Am thinking about hanging a couple sweeps on the sprayer's toolbar and eliminate the standards behind the front wheels. Do yourself a favor and get those front lift cylinders overhauled while it's cold out. The leathers are not much different than what you'd find in a pitcher pump. If one blows, neither cylinder will work and you'll be stuck with a long walk back to the tools. In a pinch, you can get it home if you have a pair of pliers and a crescent wrench, take the springs off the pressure rods and slide them as far as they will go through the trunnions, then lock the collar above the transport springs.
 
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