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How much plow for a 4440 with singles?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:17 pm    Post subject: How much plow for a 4440 with singles? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Gonna try my hand at some baleage, wrapped pearl millet. It will be on some ground that hasnt been worked in a long time, been pasture many years. Was gonna plow it then disc, fertilize, disc again then drill it.

Would a four bottom 16 to 18 be about right? Maybe a four bottom white 588 or IH720? I dont have duals.

Also, my rear tires are set out slightly wider than the front. Is it really gonna mess things up with an in furrow plow like that?

Should I be looking for a chisel plow instead? If so which?

I am not fond of no till though I know it has advantages.

Thanks, help me plan this please Im a tillage noob.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:23 am    Post subject: Re: How much plow for a 4440 with singles? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

My rear wheels are a lot wider than my front and it
works fine . A four bottom 16 or 18 would be fine or
even a 5 bottom . A chisel works good tearing out
sod I?ve done lt both ways I actually prefer the
chisel from breaking out sod the first year if it?s old
alfalfa the moldboard works fine . If you disk it at
least once before you plow it it will help
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:05 am    Post subject: Re: How much plow for a 4440 with singles? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

4 or 5 bottom. If it has a lot of sod make sure you
disk the same way you plowed otherwise you might
have sod back on top.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:24 am    Post subject: Re: How much plow for a 4440 with singles? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

A healthy 4440 should handle a 5 X 18 in most conditions and quite a number on loamy ground pull 6 bottoms. Tire condition is as important as having duals so if the tires have 50 percent or more wear remaining that will go a long ways for good footing although the extra dual would be nice. If time is not an issue then of course you could run smaller and allow you to take advantage of what is locally available. Both the White and IH are good plows. I would chisel if you have at least a few weeks to get the lumps worked out. I know some guys will run a dozen and a half times with a tillage tool but sometimes it is easier and less fuel required to let nature run its course in terms of decay of old plant material. If the axles and hubs are not frozen it is best to line everything up in terms of wheels to plow. It will make for an easier time to plow.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:54 am    Post subject: Re: How much plow for a 4440 with singles? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Depending on what you have for a plow it is best to have your furrow wheels set the same.The on land don't have to be but is better also.Best to have a little less plow and go a little faster as you will get the same amount done.Both plows you listed are good plows and a 4/18 would be fine or 5/16.On ground that has been pasture for many years you might consider sraying with RoundUp to kill the sod .A good smooth seed bed is the key to establishing a good stand.Discing will be fine but before planting a field cultivator with harrow will leave it smother and it would hurt to roll it to firm it up. Chisel plows don't work the best in sod .
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:17 am    Post subject: Re: How much plow for a 4440 with singles? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

A 4440 will handle a 5 bottom plow well in most any conditions,,setting the wheels properly is very important, the job will be much better and the plow will pull better,,,, when the wheels are not set correctly every round will show a gap where the front bottom did not lay the furrow over against the last round,,that will show up in the field for a long time. As for using a 16" or an 18" plow keep in mind that you should be plowing at least half the depth as the width of the bottom so when using an 18" plow you will need to plow at least 9-10 inches deep,,so be sure that will work out with the type soil you will be working... Plowing is an art that is not being pasted down like it use to be,, shaping water ways, keeping the ends even and setting the plow correctly was a challenge that we always prided in doing the best possible in every field,,a bad job of plowing will show up in the crop stand and yield..
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:19 am    Post subject: Re: How much plow for a 4440 with singles? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Great advice from all below. This is probably not a good time of year to be telling you this but...for what you intend to do and assuming you live in a climate where the ground freezes in winter , fall plowing is the way to go and especially if you have some heavy soil. Plowing in the fall allows the turned up lumps etc to freeze in winter and when it thaws in spring , mother nature does most of the "fitting down" for you. Melts all the clods/lumps right down so once over with a disc and then your choice of final fitting/leveling tools and yur good to go. If you spring plow, you will spend a lot of time/fuel fitting out the lunks and ALSO, depending on climate again, it will dry out down as deep as you plowed and you better hope you have a wet summer then or nothing will grow. My suggestion ,if you have frozen winters , and if you spring plow, just continue to summer fallow it (work it down periodcally all summer) and plant in spring. Where we live in MI, I've never seen anything do very well on spring plowed ground unless it's irrigated.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:23 am    Post subject: Re: How much plow for a 4440 with singles? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Location and soil types will change the way you deal with soil preparation..
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:57 am    Post subject: Re: How much plow for a 4440 with singles? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks to everyone for your replies. I dont have to do this this spring, I could wait until fall and just continue with our normal hay production this summer. A friend plants tritical in the fall, gets an early spring cutting then cuts it up and plants the millet in that field. I could start this fall and try that rotation. Or just plow this fall and plant next spring.

I hadnt considered about the drying out Randy. A lot of people around here in central Ky spring plow, so we probably have a little more rain than yall. If I cut down more than twenty acres of hay at a time it is guaranteed to rain around here.

Tim Im trying to picture what you are saying about the gap. I inow what you mean about the older knowledge I am trying to learn as I go on some of this. Seems as less and less people farm around here a lot of what was known has been forgotten. Ill look at setting the right rear in some to line up with the front a little better. Not sure if I will be able to move it.

As for the plow depth this has been in pasture for at least twenty years I have no idea what it is like.

Im thinking a four bottom would be safe with the lack of duals, and a 15-18' disc. I dont do this for my main living so I dont have to be the fastest. Im just trying to optimize our smaller farm. Figure if I can get more forage production on one field through the triticale and millet like my buddy, then I could add a few more cows. The number of I have cows arent keeping up with the summer grazing available, but if I had more I will probably run short of hay in the winter. Thought this might solve that and provide better nutrition as well.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:05 am    Post subject: Re: How much plow for a 4440 with singles? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The "gap" I'm referring to is what happens when the tire is too wide and the front bottom will not tuck the furrow up against the last round,,the distance from the inside of the furrow wheel needs to match up with the cut of the front bottom...this will leave a "Gap" on each round,,when all is set correctly you should not be able to look over the plowed land and tell how many rounds were made or how many bottoms were used...
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:17 am    Post subject: Re: How much plow for a 4440 with singles? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Randy I am in MA and I learned this one the hard way the first year I started farming on my own. No choice, plowed in the spring. Had a heck of a time getting that field leveled out enough to plant. And at that I was fighting back grass all season as it did not all break down and never having plowed with that tractor before I did not do the best job either. Any new ground now I try to plow by Columbus Day and I take one light pass with the disc. I have found old sod ground breaks down better after 1 light pass then no pass, or a couple passes... just enough to cover any signs of green from plowing. The sod ground I have never plows perfectly!
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:57 am    Post subject: Re: How much plow for a 4440 with singles? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

As far as wheel tread setting for plowing most operator manuals for the tractor have this info in them. Now on a tractor that "new" ( lol ) maybe they don't ? or maybe it can be found in the manual for the plow.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:08 pm    Post subject: Re: How much plow for a 4440 with singles? Reply to specific post Reply with quote


A plow never is used to plow more than 1/2 the width deep as the cut..

You can plow shallower, anytime ya like..the problem with plowing more than 1/2 the width deep is the furrow slice cannot lay over as far as it should and many times will fall back over in the furrow..
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:01 pm    Post subject: Re: How much plow for a 4440 with singles? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

He means the front bottom doesn't take a full cut and that means it doesn't quite cover the last furrow you
can remove the left sway block and turn the right one to its widest position and that will make the Front
Bottom take a full cut I've done that before with my semi mount plow
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:41 pm    Post subject: Re: How much plow for a 4440 with singles? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have a 5-16 deere trailer plow that the
4430 plays with. Has 20.8-38 and for the
most part it doesn't know it's back there.
The 4320 handles it well, but traction can
be an issue in real hard stuff. With a semi
mount plow, I'd think 5-18 would be a good
match.
 
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