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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:53 pm    Post subject: New to Forum Ford 2n issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hello

Brand new to the forum. I bought a Ford 2n about a month ago to use for plowing snow. I have used it about 5 times and then decided to service the tractor, change fluids etc.

When changing the engine oil it was grey, not good!!!

The radiator is new in the tractor and I am not using any water. The water/ anti- freeze is not contaminated with oil. Temperatures have been down as cold as -20C, could this be condensation in the engine? Tractor was also out in a heavy rain and snow storm before I made room in the garage.
Do you think I have an issue with the head of block? Head gasket is apparently new on it.

Any insight would be helpful. Thank you

Darin
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: New to Forum Ford 2n issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Canfin ,You say,Head gasket is apparently new on it. Previous owner could have changed a head gasket and not changed the oil.I would change oil and flush out the pan and oil filter can with some diesel fuel,add new oil and filter and keep a check on it for more water in the oil.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:26 pm    Post subject: Re: New to Forum Ford 2n issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks for the help, I am in the process of doing this. I also found out the tractor does not have a thermostat........not good again when its -20C. Anyway keeping my fingers crossed......

Ordered a thermostat for it.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:42 pm    Post subject: Re: New to Forum Ford 2n issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote

" could this be condensation in the engine?"


Very well could be. I would just monitor the oil. If it continues may need to check head gasket. A compression test would be useful. Any
white smoke in the exhaust?
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:55 pm    Post subject: Re: New to Forum Ford 2n issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks for the help. No there is no white smoke. It runs pretty good. Just gave it a full tune up, changed plugs, wires, rotor etc. Will get the thermostat in it and monitor it. Cheers
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:43 am    Post subject: Re: New to Forum Ford 2n issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote

canfin wrote:
Head gasket is apparently new on it.


As a precautionary measure, it might be a good idea to re-torque the head bolts.



I agree with the others to change oil and keep it monitored.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:11 am    Post subject: Re: New to Forum Ford 2n issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote

if it were mine I would change the oil and filter. make sure I got the filter base good an cleaned , put new oil in it and run it. if its not making any noise. blowing out smoke, carries good oil pressure then I would think your okay.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:44 am    Post subject: Re: New to Forum Ford 2n issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Canfin, Your question is a VERY common one here. The oil has most likely just absorbed moisture from start-ups with too little running time. The most severe service for an automobile is a short commute to work, two cold start-ups per day with not a long enough drive to get the engine hot. The previous owner of your 2N may have made it a practice to start it up and run it for a few minutes once a week but rarely working it. Just like a car that has just started leaves a cloud of steam behind it for the first 2-3 miles, your 2N is producing water vapor and some is going into the oil. Just find a way to bring it up to operating temp and keep it there for fifteen minutes on a regular basis.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:01 am    Post subject: Re: New to Forum Ford 2n issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote

As others are telling you, remove the filter canister and clean it out, retorque the head, and install a t-stat. The purpose of the t-stat is to quickly get the engine to it?s optimum operating temp and keep it there. Do use a thermostat. If you don't the engine heats unevenly, which means it wears unevenly. A cool-running engine does not heat the oil sufficiently and you will get sludge build-up in the pan as a result. Further, water will remain in the oil because the oil never gets hot enough to evaporate the water; that creates acids in the oil leading to bearing corrosion. N tractors came from the factory in 1939 with a 160-degree thermostat. Ford added t-stats to cars in 1933. If you want to use a 180* t-stat (which I use on all 4 of my 8N's) try A&I part # A-11C15, Gates 33108, Beck/Arnley part # 143-0024, Auto Zone part # 3518 or NAPA part number THM 184 for 180* in hose t-stats.


The car parts store folks are helpless w/o vehicle make/model/year info. Some can/will actually search on the number & cross reference, but more often than not, you will just get a dumb look. HINT: find a clerk near the age of your tractor..... Wink Try telling them that the t-stat is for your 1977 Renault R12 1.6L L4.


All of my 180* t-stats are A&I A-11C15's or AZ-3518's. They are a very tight fit in an N hose, but they will fit. I've never used the Gates, Beck/Arnley or NAPA t-stats so I can't help you w/ anything there but the part numbers.


All that being said.....if you do not consistently run the tractor to operating temp, you will get condensation & sludge as a result even w/ a t-stat installed.



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:18 am    Post subject: Re: New to Forum Ford 2n issue Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks for all the insight. Thermostat is installed, head re-torqued as so far so good.
 
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