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jfreed
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:32 pm    Post subject: Re: How many bottom plow? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

We used to pull a 4/16 ALLIS snap coupler plow with a rear ballusted D-17 in some pretty nasty blue clay. The guy that tore his XT up "possibly" had something else going on?? We pulled 5/16 White plow on the same clay with a XT .Wish dad never sold the White plow 9 years ago, I would be using it this spring.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:17 pm    Post subject: Re: How many bottom plow? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

All 180's in my area pulled 4x16's.....We have fairly easy plowing soil...There was one 180 with a turbo that pulled 5x14's..
 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:38 pm    Post subject: Re: How many bottom plow? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I drank coffee at the local AC dealership from 1976 on. I saw a lot of them with 4 bottom AC plows on them. A
WD 45 will early pull a 3X16 plow. A 185 should have no problems with a 4X16 plow.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:28 am    Post subject: Re: How many bottom plow? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The story of the XT that got all torn up probably goes like this: heavy 3 point hitch draft loads on an XT that was more than 110 HP could possibly have ripped the lower torsion bar ears off of the rear end housing. That is why the 200 had a torsion bar support on it and it could be added to an XT easily. Loose mounting bolts were probably the root cause, but after things are all busted up, it's too late. I love these "stories" that are so vague and mostly untrue in the way they are presented.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:49 am    Post subject: Re: How many bottom plow? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Also, plowing with the front wheels in the air all the way across the field would sure contribute to the lower torsion bar bolts being stressed beyond normal design limits. Front end weight needs to be increased or the draft load lessened.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:09 pm    Post subject: Re: How many bottom plow? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You should be able to pull a 4 bottom but I would buy a three bottom 16 inch plow. You will pull it at least one gear faster and never have to fight it no matter what conditions you get in. More than likely you will get as much done in a day with a three going fast as a four going slow. I used to pull a five bottom with my 4020 and had enough power but you were usually in third gear and fighting it all day making it tiring work. Bought a four bottom and pulled it a gear faster with no problems and was not near as tired at the end of the day. Tom
 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:11 pm    Post subject: Re: How many bottom plow? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I assume DrAllis is referring to my comment. I will offer this to clarify my comment:

Both tractors were whatever HP came from the factory.

The front end wasn't always in the air, some fields were tougher than others. We did have filled front tires. I agree, the 190XT should of had more ballast.

We had heavy Rocky soils which I guess biases me. When I was growing up the number of plow ratings for a tractor always mystified me. I just dismissed it as marketing hype.

I cannot comment on the draft control/sensing. I was not aware it was improved from the 190XT to the 200. That would be interesting to know more about.

The entire rear tub split containing the final drives. All the oil fell to the ground, the right tire was leaning on the fender. I could see the final drive gears when I looked up. There were several rear end updates right up to the 200. I never gave it a thought the draft sensing might of been involved.

My point was why over pull, my opinion, a 185 with 4-16's. It's a nice tractor. Like Tom says, when soils are lighter, shift up a gear.

My apologies for not being more clear on my point. Tom said it better.



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