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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 2:59 am    Post subject: Educate me on round balers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I am thinking of changing to a round baler. I have been baling with a John Deere square baler for years now doing about 15 acres on my farm. I am getting tired of trying to get 4 - 5 days of nice weather in a row to get the grass dry enough to bale. Not to mention handling all those square bales. I see others using round balers and baling their hay pretty green.
Few questions, Can I bale hay greener (wetter) with a round baler?
What makes/models would be good for a small operation like mine to start out with. What should I be looking for in respect to condition when I'm looking at used balers?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:18 am    Post subject: Re: Educate me on round balers Reply to specific post Reply with quote


i will recommend getting a rd baler that has a variable bale chamber so one has the option of baling a bale of any size between 3'-6' in diameter. Check condition of belts,drive chains & sprockets. I'm partial to JD rd balers built after the mid 80's as I've baled well over 150,000 bales with a JD in 31 yrs as a custom hay baler operator. I think one can't bale/store hay at a higher % moisture in rd bales vs sq bales unless one wants to wrap rd bales in solid plastic to create baleage.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:20 am    Post subject: Re: Educate me on round balers Reply to specific post Reply with quote


If you are trying to make dry hay, then no you can't bale it any greener. In fact, IMO round bales need to be drier than squares since any moisture in the bale is going to be more likely to mold since it can't escape as easily. If you're doing silage bales, then yeah, you can bale and wrap it green. Different thing than dry hay though.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:24 am    Post subject: Re: Educate me on round balers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

We need a little more info. What size bale would you prefer and what size tractor do you have as well as are you ok with twine or do you want net wrap and what is your price range? I had a Deere 335 which made a 4x4 bale. In dry hay we pulled it with as little as 40hp but liked to run a 70 hp on it the most. In hi moisture hay it would get a buildup on the drive roll that needed removed every 20 or so bales. They made a scrapper kit but I did not have one. We baled thousands of bales with no problems. The reason we sold it was we wanted net wrap,wider pickup and a knives. Tom
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:17 am    Post subject: Re: Educate me on round balers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

They are correct. If you are trying to make good
hay, it still has to be just as dry. Round balers
are more forgiving, in that if you bale it too
green, you don't have to lift every way too heavy
bale by hand. Round balers will bale greener hay
than a square baler, but that doesn't mean it will
keep well. It will still mold.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:32 am    Post subject: Re: Educate me on round balers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The big advantages of a round baler is how fast the hay can be baled and how easily it can be moved after baling.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:16 am    Post subject: Re: Educate me on round balers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Round balers come in two styles, solid core and soft
core. Soft core balers have a fixed chamber, and
require a bit more hp to make a good bale that will
hold its shape.
Solid core balers have a variable chamber, it rolls
the hay tight from the center or start of the baling
process. The chamber expands as the bales grows.
The solid balers requires some what less hp tractor.
You could easy make 4x4 solid core bales on level
ground with a 50 hp tractor. If your ground is hilly,
you will need more hp because climbing hills while
making a bale takes more power. If you want to
make bales bigger than 4x4 you may want a larger
tractor in the 75-100 hp size , just so the weight of
the bale inside the baler doesn?t push the tractor
around.
As others have stated , hay still needs to be dry to
make dry mould free hay. You can buy inoculate
/preservative to apply to the hay while baling, and
bale at a bit higher moisture level, something
around 22-24% moisture would be the upper limit.
Dry hay needs to be near to 14-18% moisture to
save mould free.
You can bale wet hay35-40% moisture if you wrap
or bag the bales to restrict oxygen exposure,
allowing the bale to ferment into silage..
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:58 am    Post subject: Re: Educate me on round balers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I switch to a round baler years ago. I picked up a NH850 chain baler pretty cheap and it has done me well for over a decade now. But you do need a bigger tractor for a round baler. Manual for the NH850 calls for 55HP to 75HP and I use an Oliver S88 which is 55HP. As for hay dry that does not matter which you have it still has to be dry. Now as for you saying you have to wait that many days I do not understand. I cut hay one day then let it sit one day then rake it let it sit for a few hours and then bale but the temps here have been in the 90s. I also of bale a few squares most years and the same holds true as for cutting and waiting
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:39 am    Post subject: Re: Educate me on round balers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

A couple of other considerations. If you are going to sell the bales or move them on the roads, most people like 4ft
bales which they can stack 2 wide on a trailer and be legal. If you are going to move and store and feed them only on
your property (like I do) you can use the bigger 5 or 6 ft bales which mean many fewer trips to the storage shed or to
feed.

I store all my bales inside and them feed them to horses so I like a soft core bale.

By the way, something the 4 ft bale sellers don't want you to know...a 5.5 x 6 round bale has 142 square ft of hay.
and a 4x4 bale has 50 square ft of hay. If they are the same density (unlikely) the big bale has almost 3 times as
much hay. Meaning many fewer trips to the feed lot and storage shed.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:00 am    Post subject: Re: Educate me on round balers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

In terms of dryness, your hay has to be DRIER than is required for square baling before it will 'keep' in a round bale - maybe one or two days
longer drying in the swath. Round bales are beggars for heating (and therefore moulding) if the hay is not completely dry. You can, of
course, bale it a bit green and plastic wrap the bales to make 'haylage', must loved by the equine community. Forty years of haymaking in
less than perfect weather conditions has taught me a lot! Jim
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Educate me on round balers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

vermmer 605 j and up far ahead of others and we bale a lot of rolls
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Educate me on round balers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

What is the end game...what are you going to do with the HAY?
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Educate me on round balers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Wow, Allot to catch up on. My tractor is a JD 2130, 65 HP Diesel.
We mainly bale to feed our small cattle herd and a dozen sheep and a few goats. I only sell hay when I see that I will have plenty on hand to get me through the winter. I am partial to John Deere equipment. As for budget I would like to stay in the 3-4K range.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Educate me on round balers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You might be miner ahead to buy a tedder. I had a Allis Chalmers from the early 1950's. Not the best but it
worked. I am now looking for 1 of the newer Kuhn type tedders.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Educate me on round balers Reply to specific post Reply with quote

[quote="CVPost-hd6gtom"](reply to post at 21:01:55 06/12/1Cool [/quote]

I have a Kuhn tedder. Love it
 
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