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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:46 pm    Post subject: Hupp trans Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Is the Hupp dual drive trans the only one with the shifter on the right side? I have a 9n with what I think has a Hupp trans. The shifting lever came off the shaft and I am trying to repair it without splittig the tractor.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Hupp trans Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The Hupp and the F&T overdrive transmission had shifters on the right side.
Check out the great Smiths site for some good auxiliary transmission Info.
Smiths Sherman Transmissions page

 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Hupp trans Reply to specific post Reply with quote

If it is a Hupp and your problem is the splined shifter collar is worn out (common complaint) I have a stock of new replacement collars.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Hupp trans Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The shifting lever is under the oil bath air cleaner. On Smiths page it shows the lever of the Hupp between the air cleaner and the steering linkage so I am not sure what I have.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 4:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Hupp trans Reply to specific post Reply with quote

RGM,You say The shifting lever is under the oil bath air cleaner.By looking at a Sherman over drive and having worked on them,the way the shifter is made.I suppose if a farmer wanted the shifter on the right side for some reason.(only had right arm or hand) It could have been installed on the right for him.They were a dealer installed item.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Hupp trans Reply to specific post Reply with quote

No. ALL of the 'other' brands went out the right side. Hupp, F&T, Funk, Parker, Hiesler, etc.
I've even seen a Sherman Step set up to shift on the right.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Hupp trans Reply to specific post Reply with quote

R.G.M. wrote:
(quoted from post at 17:46:43 10/19/0Cool Is the Hupp dual drive trans the only one with the shifter on the right side? I have a 9n with what I think has a Hupp trans. The shifting lever came off the shaft and I am trying to repair it without splittig the tractor.


I have a Hupp. It's a worthless piece of equipment. (The Hupp is just fine. Works great. Just that a step-up on a Ford is a worthless modification. A step-down would have been great. Grab some vice-grips, get it back into "normal" and leave it there! IMHO.)
 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:27 am    Post subject: Re: Hupp trans Reply to specific post Reply with quote

From my experience, all Shermans have levers on the left side (from the driver's seat). Hupp and F&T have them on the right side. Have seen a picture of a Funk but don't remember which side it was on.

Is your aux transmission a two-speed (overdrive and direct) or a three-speed (over/direct/under)? Hupp made both styles, and the overdrive used a different, smaller style lever. The F&T came in overdrive only.

Does your's match anything on Smith's website? If not, you may have one of those really oddball brands.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:34 am    Post subject: Re: Hupp trans Reply to specific post Reply with quote

My dad, who has been around these tractors all his life, says the overdrive was almost a necessity in the 9N/2N tractors. The three-speed standard transmission just didn't give enough speeds in the ratios needed for farming. The overdrive allowed for more gears between first and third, with a higher road gear in third. When the 8N came out, the four-speed transmission reduced some of the usefulness of the overdrive, and the underdrive became a useful option.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:15 am    Post subject: Re: Hupp trans Reply to specific post Reply with quote

What was he doing with them? Racing?

The only use I can imagine for the overdrive is to move the tractor way down the highway somewhere to a new field. Second gear is all that's needed for most work, 1st gear for hard pullin'. But Fords simply don't go SLOW enough to use a cultivator and such. I wish I had a step-DOWN...instead of a step-up Hupp... because I never go anywhere except on my own place.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Hupp trans Reply to specific post Reply with quote

OR, you simply haven't come up with a task that makes the best use of the 'in between' gearing/RPM's.
Sorry but, Sherman (and Hupp, F&T,& Funk) didn't sell MANY THOUSANDS of those O/D's to penny pinching farmers for 'worthless' reasons.
I use the O/D feature in my 'Combo'(same gear ratio) often enough that I wouldn't swap the Combo for a 'Underdrive' for twice the savings.
Your tractor, your workload, your call.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:26 am    Post subject: Re: Hupp trans Reply to specific post Reply with quote

jimNCal wrote:
(quoted from post at 20:13:06 10/20/0Cool ..., Sherman (and Hupp, F&T,& Funk) didn't sell MANY THOUSANDS of those O/D's to penny pinching farmers for 'worthless' reasons...
jb


How many? Does anyone have any reliable numbers on this matter?

The difference between 1st and 2nd gear in a 9N Ford is pretty small....so what use is there in making an even smaller interval? I've tried mowing with 2nd-High, and all it does is make more whine, very little difference in actual speed and the mower works hard. 1st-High is purely imagination.
3rd-High is really a difference, but it's so damned fast that it's dangerous with mechanical brakes, IMHO, especially on public roads and coupled with mechanical steering.

I've got one and it's worthless. YOU actually got one? What do you find it so useful for? Or were you simply making discussion? (Not looking for an argument. Just looking for a reasonable excuse to spend real money on one of them. If mine didn't come with it, I might be tempted to buy one and install it, but I'd sure be disappointed afterwards! I'd hate for someone to think this is gonna make their Ford a real machine cause it ain't!)
 


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:47 am    Post subject: Re: Hupp trans Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I just installed a sherman OD in my N, would have loved to find a combo for a good price, but no go.

biggest advantage i see to have the OD- plowing snow. I get a faster pto speed without having my throttle wide open, so when i get to the end and have to lift my plow, it does it faster, which means im onto the next row faster, which means im back in the warm house faster. Also I use my N to ride up to my mailbox sometime (its at the end of my street) and 4th is sometimes a bit too fast, but 3rd over is perfect.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:18 am    Post subject: Re: Hupp trans Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Tiger Joe where the heck do ya live.
I bought a beautifully rebuilt Sherman Combo last year. Probably looks better than when it was new. Only thing is I am reluctant to split by Samantha Jean up and install it cause I never split an 8N up and not sure how to properly shim the combo up.

I am over near Kingston NY.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:07 am    Post subject: Re: Hupp trans Reply to specific post Reply with quote

greywolf224 wrote:
(quoted from post at 14:18:24 08/07/14)
Tiger Joe where the heck do ya live.
I bought a beautifully rebuilt Sherman Combo last year. Probably looks better than when it was new. Only thing is I am reluctant to split by Samantha Jean up and install it cause I never split an 8N up and not sure how to properly shim the combo up.

I am over near Kingston NY.


I'm just south of Pittsburgh pa
 
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