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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:44 pm    Post subject: Popping out of reverse Reply to specific post Reply with quote

My 1950 8n Pops out of reverse. Actually it tends to stay in after I put it back in Reverse the first time but it pretty much always pops out once - every time I use reverse.

All the other gears work fine.
What is this telling me?

It's got new GL1(NAPA part number 65-205) in it.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Popping out of reverse Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I would suggest to/ Check the Bottom of your Shifter Ball stud and Stuff.
For binding or excessive wear Or Broken Parts.
Your can take that shifter plate off easy.
Be SURE to LOOK at the back of the Plate.
There is a small Nipple in the back of the cover.
That is where the spring is.
Once you take the cover loose this Spring may go ( boing)
This is a detent spring
this will only cost you silicone (or a gasket to look at)
It is Just a Few Bolts and a Gasket.
Try to clean the top off the best you can.Dirt in the Oil Stuff.
HTH
 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Popping out of reverse Reply to specific post Reply with quote

nondem wrote:
(quoted from post at 16:44:42 11/19/09) My 1950 8n Pops out of reverse. Actually it tends to stay in after I put it back in Reverse the first time but it pretty much always pops out once - every time I use reverse.

All the other gears work fine.
What is this telling me?

It's got new GL1(NAPA part number 65-205) in it.


Just for giggles, and grins....

Look over this, it may help some when you see it first hand.

http://www.theviperr.info/hobo_dnn/Default.aspx?tabid=125

I would be spectin' that for some reason, something isn't right, and it isn't really going all the way into gear...
 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Popping out of reverse Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks to both of you. I expected it to be something "deeper". It didn't cross my mind that it could be something in the shifter.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:45 am    Post subject: Re: Popping out of reverse Reply to specific post Reply with quote

nondem wrote:
(quoted from post at 05:21:36 11/20/09) Thanks to both of you. I expected it to be something "deeper". It didn't cross my mind that it could be something in the shifter.


If its not shifter related then you will need to did deeper,,, real deep,,,, deep deep,,,, deep deep deep,,, bout as deep as you can go.

50' had a problem with the clip that retains reverse gear on the shaft,,, the grove was not cut deep enuff and reverse gear would rub on first and take the main shaft out,,, BTDT,, their s service bulletin about it somewhere,,, I have ran across 2 of'em,,, it was to late they both needed major repairs.

The tell tell sign is you will see were reverse has been rubbing on the edge of 1st gear (big gear on top shaft at the very rear) when you remove the shift cover,,, I would for sure lift the cover for a peek

WARNING Shocked all I know I read on the Internet,,, do it enuff and you can become a guru also,,, not responsible for damages,,, I read it and just pass it along,,, proceed with caution
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:48 am    Post subject: Re: Popping out of reverse Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hobo,NC wrote:
(quoted from post at 08:45:15 11/20/09)
nondem wrote:
(quoted from post at 05:21:36 11/20/09) Thanks to both of you. I expected it to be something "deeper". It didn't cross my mind that it could be something in the shifter.


If its not shifter related then you will need to did deeper,,, real deep,,,, deep deep,,,, deep deep deep,,, bout as deep as you can go.

50' had a problem with the clip that retains reverse gear on the shaft,,, the grove was not cut deep enuff and reverse gear would rub on first and take the main shaft out,,, BTDT,, their s service bulletin about it somewhere,,, I have ran across 2 of'em,,, it was to late they both needed major repairs.

The tell tell sign is you will see were reverse has been rubbing on the edge of 1st gear (big gear on top shaft at the very rear) when you remove the shift cover,,, I would for sure lift the cover for a peek

WARNING Shocked all I know I read on the Internet,,, do it enuff and you can become a guru also,,, not responsible for damages,,, I read it and just pass it along,,, proceed with caution


Wow - thats comforting....Can we go back to it just being the shifter please Smile Thanks for the wisdom.
Just to clarify - this is an early 1950 model w/frontmount - SN 247088.

Do you know if the problem applies to this Serial Number?
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Popping out of reverse Reply to specific post Reply with quote

nondem wrote:
(quoted from post at 15:48:39 11/20/09)
Hobo,NC wrote:
(quoted from post at 08:45:15 11/20/09)
nondem wrote:
(quoted from post at 05:21:36 11/20/09) Thanks to both of you. I expected it to be something "deeper". It didn't cross my mind that it could be something in the shifter.


If its not shifter related then you will need to did deeper,,, real deep,,,, deep deep,,,, deep deep deep,,, bout as deep as you can go.

50' had a problem with the clip that retains reverse gear on the shaft,,, the grove was not cut deep enuff and reverse gear would rub on first and take the main shaft out,,, BTDT,, their s service bulletin about it somewhere,,, I have ran across 2 of'em,,, it was to late they both needed major repairs.

The tell tell sign is you will see were reverse has been rubbing on the edge of 1st gear (big gear on top shaft at the very rear) when you remove the shift cover,,, I would for sure lift the cover for a peek

WARNING Shocked all I know I read on the Internet,,, do it enuff and you can become a guru also,,, not responsible for damages,,, I read it and just pass it along,,, proceed with caution


Wow - thats comforting....Can we go back to it just being the shifter please Smile Thanks for the wisdom.
Just to clarify - this is an early 1950 model w/frontmount - SN 247088.

Do you know if the problem applies to this Serial Number?


http://www.ytmag.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=nboard&th=157759[/url]
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Popping out of reverse Reply to specific post Reply with quote

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Wow - thats comforting....Can we go back to it just being the shifter please Smile Thanks for the wisdom.
Just to clarify - this is an early 1950 model w/frontmount - SN 247088.

Do you know if the problem applies to this Serial Number?

Quote:

http://www.ytmag.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=nboard&th=157759


I guess that removes any doubt. Thanks again sir.

-Randy
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Popping out of reverse Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It depends on what 60 year old issues you will run into but trans work on a N is EZ once you get it out,,, if a man could not fix the trans then he don't need to fudge with anything else,,, start with the simple stuff,,, remove the shift cover and look at how reverse works,,, Its a no brainier,, you may get lucky and its a shift leaver problem,,, the trans probably gives the least problems on a N,,, parts are not that bad,,, the parts break down will help on assembly,,, its dead on...

Look at the teeth on 1st gear,,, look at the reverse shift fork to see if it has hit first gear...,,, first gear should fit nice on the Main shaft,,, if its sloppy the I.D. is worn out were it runs on the main shaft and probably got the main shaft also...

All this talk about 1st gear is a tell tell that the snap ring that retains reverse (ring 9N7070) to the idle shaft has came loose,,, bout the only other things that could affect reverse is the shifter, the detent #21 ball 353075S (possibly can B removed from the out side) are the coupling (42) 8N7145 and #39 gear ,,, the little notches on the gear are made so once its engaged it self locks to retain it in gear,,, that's one reason the gears grind while trying to engage while in motion,,, a synchronised trans has block'n rings that act as a brake and stop the gear to complete a smooth shift,,, when the blocking ring wares out you get a clash (grind) and have lost the braking action of the blocking ring,,, N's don't have synchronizers just thought would sorta tell ya so you would understand how the gear locks in when engaged,,, once engaged you don't need the detent as long as the gear is under load,,, once the load is removed the detent has keep the shift fork in position and ready for the load to lock the gear in place again,,,, the detent does not keep the gear engaged under a load,,, if it jumps out coasting are when backing off the throttle look at the detent,,, if it jumps out of gear under a load its a gear/shift fork/coupling problem,,, always check the detent tho and hope for the best,,, if the detent don't fix it and the shifter is not worn/bent ya gonna go deep for a fix...

When folks say my N jumps out of gear going down a hill its a detent problem are a worn shift rail were the detent ball runs,,, the gear trys to unlock and the detent ball/spring pressure is just enuff to hold it in gear on the coast side
 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Popping out of reverse Reply to specific post Reply with quote

That's about as thorough an answer as possible. I'll pop the cover off in the near future and see what's up.

Thanks again for the enlightenment.

-Randy
 
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