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Case 580D need 207 head/motor


 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:56 pm    Post subject: Case 580D need 207 head/motor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I pulled the head off my 207 non turbo motor. head has been milled beyond specs and our #2 piston was actually tapping the head. We have a crack in the block between our #3 and #4 cylinder we have been told to try and use an epoxy/ JB weld and smash it in there then tighten a new head on. I found a pullout running 207 for $2,800 or a reman head and reman injectors for $800 I'm thinking about trying just the head but don't know. Also I read on a different forum about possibly changing out the 207 to a cummings motor. What would that entail and about how much would that cost. What size cummings is comparable. Oh and this motor is going in a 1984 Case 580D loader backhoe thank you for any infomation you can help me with.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Case 580D need 207 head/motor Reply to specific post Reply with quote


Ryan,

In that engine the piston does not hit the
head because the head was milled. There are
only a fewthings the will cause the piston
to hit the head , one of which would cause
all 4 to hit ( milling to much off the block.
others are -bad piston pin bushing,bad rod
bearing , or loose rod bolts,all are a
recipe for disaster. Usually milling too
much off the head will cause the valves to
hit the piston as that exposes more of the
valve head. Milling too much will also make
too much injector protrusion and will put
the spray pattern too far down in the piston
cup and probably make smoke.

george
 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Case 580D need 207 head/motor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It is Cummins not cummings!!! Case used the 4 cylinder version of the 6 cylinder engine used in Dodge pick-ups commonly called a 4BT, it would be 3.9L or about 239 cu in. or about 32 cu in bigger than the 207. All the Cummins engines are built without a belhousing adapter on the engine, you have to find the right one and bolt it on the back of the engine for the transmission you want to use. The engine will have machined areas on the side of the engine to bolt in in your frame. They also came in a lot of delivery vans.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:06 am    Post subject: Re: Case 580D need 207 head/motor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

shinnery wrote:
(reply to post at 22:52:57 10/26/10)
You may want to contact a Cummins distributor as there were kits available to do that conversion. Also the E's had the Cummins and would have the proper bell housing to match the reverser housing and may be a direct fit using the front mount for the E., The front mount may be the only point of concern, I do not remember if the E had the single front mount bolt or the two bolt style, someone on here will help us out with that info. I also agree that you have deeper problems as the other poster is correct, no amount of milling can cause that flat head to get closer to the piston, that just lowers the valves and can cause valve/piston contact. I have seen wrist pin bushing failure and even had one that the bushing was worn oblong and gave an intermittent knock that would go away and then come back as the bushing turned to the thin spot, talk about a teaser to try to diagnose, but it was apparent once the head was off so the rod/piston unit was removed and inspected. mEl
 


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:30 am    Post subject: Re: Case 580D need 207 head/motor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have most parts for a 207 or the cummins engines. Fred 6076423293
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:30 am    Post subject: Re: Case 580D need 207 head/motor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have most parts for a 207 or the cummins engines. Fred 6076423293
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Case 580D need 207 head/motor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

What part of the country are you in? I've got an almost new 207D engine I might sell. It came from a military base years ago - from some sort of Case 580 forklift. At the time, I had an old 580CK backhoe loader sitting here with a blown 188D. So, I stuck in the 207D, but have never used it, and will probably never finish the project. The 33 hoe on the back is worn-out. So, I'm thinking of parting the whole thing out. I can either sell the 207D, or save it as a "spare"
for my little 310G dozer that has a 188D. Doubt I'll ever need it, though.
By the way, the engine was sold to me as having less then 500 hours on it. When I got it here, I pulled it completely apart to check it over, and it was, indeed new inside. No wear at all. Engine is serial # 4307581.
Those Cummins 4BT are nice engines. I know a few people that have them in Chevy pickup trucks. I'd buy one if cheap, but so far they've all been $2500-$3000 with the proper GM adapters.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Case 580D need 207 head/motor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Yes I would be intrested. I live in Colorado Springs, CO e-mail me or give me a call 719-314-9474. Thank you
 
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Case 580D need 207 head/motor Reply to specific post Reply with quote


This is an older thread, so I'm not sure if you will read this or not, but I figured I'd try anyhow...

Hello JDemaris, I'm very interested in your 207 Case diesel engine if you still have it and want to sell it. I have a 1968 Case 580CK that has a 188 and it dropped (and broke) a valve and bent a push rod. Not sure if it destroyed the engine, as I haven't had a chance to pull the head off, but the odds are, it's toast. Thus, I'd be more than willing to "update" (LOL) to your 207 and get my 'ol hoe up and running again! Where abouts are you located in the US? I'm located in Ontario, NY 14519.

If you read this, please e mail me at: avagianos at rochester[dot]rr[dot]com
I don't get on this forum very often, and I cannot PM you due to this website keeps throwing me an error code, saying that "private messaging is currently under maintenance". So, I figured I'd ask you to just e mail me.

Thanks, Andy
 
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Case 580D need 207 head/motor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Do you still have the 207? If so please call me at 530-388-0922 Evan. thank you.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Case 580D need 207 head/motor Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Noshit6911 wrote:
(quoted from post at 05:25:50 01/26/13) Do you still have the 207? If so please call me at 530-388-0922 Evan. thank you.


Evan, I'm thinking not, as JDemaris never replied back to me about his Case 207D engine, and that was nearly 2 years ago now when I last posted my interest in his engine.

Best of luck in your search for a good, used engine. I've been looking for either a 188D or a 207D for my Case 580CK for some time now.
I also have a Case 530CK that needs a good used replacement 159G engine.

If anyone knows where I can purchase either of the 3 aforementioned engines in good used running condition, please let me know... and thanks in advance!!!
 
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