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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:41 am    Post subject: Allis C diesel engine swap Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Good Day to you all
I have found a massy fergison 135 3 cylinder perkins diesel engine in good working order, does eny one know if its possible to fit it on my allis "C" with a few modifications.
I have heard this is possible but would like some advice before i go ahead and purchase something that will not fit, i am lead to believe its possible with the aid of a plate adapter installed between the engine and the bell housing
 
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:18 am    Post subject: Re: Allis C diesel engine swap Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Drak wrote:
(quoted from post at 11:41:32 08/25/12) Good Day to you all
I have found a massy fergison 135 3 cylinder perkins diesel engine in good working order, does eny one know if its possible to fit it on my allis "C" with a few modifications.
I have heard this is possible but would like some advice before i go ahead and purchase something that will not fit, i am lead to believe its possible with the aid of a plate adapter installed between the engine and the bell housing


Anything is possible with enough determination and a good machine shop. Most likely you will need to fabricate most of the parts from scratch.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:39 am    Post subject: Re: Allis C diesel engine swap Reply to specific post Reply with quote

By the time you have it done you will probably have more $$ tied up in it then it would cost to buy a MF 135 or a whole running C if not both
 
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Allis C diesel engine swap Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks, enough said !! better I attend to the origonal gas engine keep it the way it was born (origonal) and forget my crazy ideas !!
 
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:47 am    Post subject: Re: Allis C diesel engine swap Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It'd take a lot of work, but I think it'd be kind've neat if done right. It's not like the C was a rare tractor. If you have the time, talent, and finances, I say go for it.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:36 am    Post subject: Re: Allis C diesel engine swap Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Yes I would like to take it on, i have all the work shop support i would need but would like to have some direction from some one who has done a similar project, so i guess i will shelve this idea, at least for the momment
 
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: Allis C diesel engine swap Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I have not done this specific job, but here are some details.
--FIrst, the turque tube bell housing has to match the motor rear face. If not, you have to have a plate machined with two sets of holes so each unit will bolt to the plate.
--second, the shafts from the motor and transmission (clutch) have to be in alignment, so the plate needs to be manufactured on a mill or lathe, or similare to hold close tolerances.
---next, you have to decide what clutch your going to use ? You would need the flywheel and starter off the diesel, and what clutch? If you use the diesel clutch, will it fit inside the bell housing ? What about the transmission input shaft, how does it pilot into the end of the crank shaft ? Pilot bushing size ? Is the shaft too short with the adaptor plate installed ? Does the original throw out bearing in the bell housing line up with the new clutch fingers ? This takes several days of layout, planning and machinine to make it work.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:32 am    Post subject: Re: Allis C diesel engine swap Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure you'd be the first. All you'd have to do is measure the length to see how well it fits, make a bell housing adapter, find a way to use the C flywheel, and hope the 135 engine has the starter attached to it, as the C one probably won't turn a diesel over.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:10 am    Post subject: Re: Allis C diesel engine swap Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I was thinking of trying to swap that engine into my OC46 loader but I don't have the engine. I think it would make a NICE track loader.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:24 am    Post subject: Re: Allis C diesel engine swap Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hi Steve
The engine has all the origonal parts except the manifold and water pump, so starter etc not an issue, i was thinking rather than fabricate a plate to re-design and fabricate a new torque tube to accomodate the diesel engine and clutch assembly of the 135, i could probably fabricate from say 4" heavy duty pipe and say 12-14" pipe for the bell housing,I work on a refinary so access to material and a mill and leathe would be no issue, what you think, would this be a better way to go
 
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Allis C diesel engine swap Reply to specific post Reply with quote

a d-14 engine will bolt up with the only serious issue being that you need special bolts to bolt the front end back on the front on the engine
 
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Allis C diesel engine swap Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I think if you can fab a torque tube, that'd be the easiest. You'd have to find a way to mount the clutch, but otherwise, its the better way to go.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Allis C diesel engine swap Reply to specific post Reply with quote

They did What you're trying to do in England. It was either the English B or D270 that they installed a Perkins diesel in.
 
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