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cumbres Regular
Joined: 16 Jun 2010 Posts: 41 Location: KS
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:44 pm Post subject: Tech Question Early 8N Rear Axle Side Seals |
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I have a leaking outer seal on the right side. Read the nice write up found on a link here. Read the manual. Everything seems within my abilities as a shade tree mechanic without a lot of courage, except for one thing. That is the the spec calling for 450 foot pounds of torque on the axle shaft nut. The biggest torque wrench I can find stops at 175. Is there an old timers (sorry ) trick to make the 175 foot pounds wrench work for the 450 foot pound spec?
Also, any other tricks I should know?
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JCinKY Regular
Joined: 01 Aug 2012 Posts: 290 Location: Glendale KY
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Tech Question Early 8N Rear Axle Side Seals |
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Cumbres... No dice on stretching that 175ft-lb wrench to 450. You need a longer, thicker, and larger drive (storey of my life )wrench to torque that after you get that seal fixed.
They can be pricey. Might check out HB for cheap wrech. |
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cumbres Regular
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: Tech Question Early 8N Rear Axle Side Seals |
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I just hate to buy one as this will probably be the only time I get to use it. I don't mind buying tools when I need them but would rather the $$ went to a nice mig welder instead. Much more needed tool. |
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Mal(Pa) Regular
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: Tech Question Early 8N Rear Axle Side Seals |
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breaker bar ,a 4 foot pipe over it and tighten to a big grunt |
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Royse Tractor Expert
Joined: 17 Jan 2011 Posts: 3070 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: Tech Question Early 8N Rear Axle Side Seals |
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Might check your local auto parts store.
Some "rent" the tools, like AutoZone if they had one.
They charge you purchase price then give your money back when you return it.
Otherwise I've been told that 100 pounds on the end of a 4 ft bar is close to 400 ft/lbs.
YMMV |
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NoNewParts Long Time User
Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Posts: 828 Location: WNY
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:13 am Post subject: Re: Tech Question Early 8N Rear Axle Side Seals |
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| cumbres wrote: | (quoted from post at 22:56:16 09/03/12)
I just hate to buy one as this will probably be the only time I get to use it. I don't mind buying tools when I need them but would rather the $$ went to a nice mig welder instead. Much more needed tool. |
if you mess with 8N's and NAA's, a 2" socket and a 3/4 drive breaker bar(and a pipe)
needs to be in your toolbox. Those axle nuts need to be checked once in awhile.
while you are there, might as well check the prices of the 3/4
drive 1, 1 1/16, 1 1/8, 1 1/4, 1 5/16' sockets. around old tractors, you need those too.
with tractors, I don't have much luck with the 1/2" drive stuff to break loose
old parts. even the good 1/2 ones break with 4' of pipe on em.
BTW, don't ignore garage sales. I picked up four 3/4 drive one inch plus
impact sockets, and a half dozen plus 1" wrenches for a buck apiece.
Guy said no one wanted the 'big' old stuff |
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William Fissell Long Time User
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:22 am Post subject: Re: Tech Question Early 8N Rear Axle Side Seals |
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I used a 3/4 drive and and socket from Harbor
Freight (or similar), and a piece of black iron
pipe. I weighed myself. I divided 450 foot pounds
by my weight, and made a mark on the black iron
pipe at that distance. I hung on the pipe with all
my weight, holdign the pipe at the mark I'd made.
Voila, 450 foot pounds. |
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jackinok Tractor Expert
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:32 am Post subject: Re: Tech Question Early 8N Rear Axle Side Seals |
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you can find torque wrenches that go that high,but you could buy another trator for what a good one costs. i have a 48 inch 3/4 drive breaker bar that i use. a good bounce with my fat a$$ is probably close enough,ive not had one come loose yet anyway. |
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wisbaker Tractor Expert
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:37 am Post subject: Re: Tech Question Early 8N Rear Axle Side Seals |
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The long bar with a known weight that works out to 450 foot pounds
will work well with a 2' long bar you'll need 225 Lbs, 3' bar 150 Lbs,
4' Bar 112 1/2 pounds, 10' bar 45 lbs. If you're really hung up on
numbers you can buy a torque multiplier to go between the socket and
torque wrench and multiplying your torque wrench reading by the factor
the multiplier does. But I'd get the big pipe and known weight and
save the money for a welder or something else you'll use more. |
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Hobo,NC Tractor Guru
Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 10611 Location: Sanford, NC
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Tech Question Early 8N Rear Axle Side Seals |
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| cumbres wrote: | (quoted from post at 05:44:29 09/04/12) I have a leaking outer seal on the right side. Read the nice write up found on a link here. Read the manual. Everything seems within my abilities as a shade tree mechanic without a lot of courage, except for one thing. That is the the spec calling for 450 foot pounds of torque on the axle shaft nut. The biggest torque wrench I can find stops at 175. Is there an old timers (sorry ) trick to make the 175 foot pounds wrench work for the 450 foot pound spec?
Also, any other tricks I should know?
Cumbres
Kansas |
I use at least a 3ft bar maybe longer,,,, stand near the end and do a little jump are 2... No way I trust using just weight on a bar to do the job its not going to tighten it to the correct spec (NOT EVEN CLOSE) if you think so you are smoking some good chit.... |
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cumbres Regular
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: Tech Question Early 8N Rear Axle Side Seals |
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Lots of good advice. I had checked with the autparts stores and they didn't go that high. I will try the cheater bar and my more then 200 pound weight with a bounce to finish the job.
Thanks! |
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Hobo,NC Tractor Guru
Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 10611 Location: Sanford, NC
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: Tech Question Early 8N Rear Axle Side Seals |
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| cumbres wrote: | (quoted from post at 07:45:45 09/05/12)
Lots of good advice. I had checked with the autparts stores and they didn't go that high. I will try the cheater bar and my more then 200 pound weight with a bounce to finish the job.
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I should have used that werd :X Bounce yes I bounce enuff to overcome friction so my weight can do the job... For the believers on just weight....
Loosen the lug nuts on your car/truck lay 100lbs on the end of a ft bar to tighten the nuts then go drive it... Make sure you insurance is paid up....
Typically, 80% – 90% of the input torque is used to overcome friction in the
threaded and underhead regions leaving only 10% – 20% of the input torque left....
That being said i would venture to say it would take at least 600lbs of weight to achieve 450 ft lbs of torque...
Nutter shock The same apply s when you are re-torquing your head bolts,,, add 10 to 15% to the torque setting to achieve the desired recheck of torque...
I have never seen this apply to a N head bolt tho... All I have ever worked on the bolt turned (torque overcame friction) before the desired torque was meet...
TO check actual torque on a bolt that has been torqued accurately it takes dedicated expensive equipment anything else is just a guess... The equipment must be able to measure the instant the fastener moves and at what torque it took to move it any thing else is just a guess... |
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