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My New Replacement Clutch Undersized Already?


 
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:19 am    Post subject: My New Replacement Clutch Undersized Already? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I ordered a New Clutch Disk for my Tractor because the "Manual" Says it"s recommended if found to be under 3/32" for Plate to Rivet. My "OLD" Clutch Disk is at 3/32" exactly so I figured I would replace it with a New One. Well, the "New" one is 1/32nd Less than my Old one, and according to the "Manual", it is Worn Out? Anyone else run into this Problem? I"m pretty ticked off I spent Money on a "New" Product that is worse than my Used one that I know to have been installed for 12 years or better?
 
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:41 am    Post subject: Re: My New Replacement Clutch Undersized Already? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Quit complaining, it is probably one of those new high dollar made in china ones. Got to be a lot better than the one you are replacing. Smile
 
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:01 am    Post subject: It's SAD. The U.S. Govt. has driven Business's away. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Or should I say "Regulated" Away.
It"s a Damb shame the only thing made in America anymore, are Babies.
I just spent 2 days trying to Locate American Made Bolts for my Oil Pan !
Luckily I found some.
I know come November, I will Cast my Vote to Replace the Idiot in Charge in Hopes that we can get out from under the Socialist Regime in their Now!
Thanks for the Laugh. Jeff
 
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:45 am    Post subject: Re: My New Replacement Clutch Undersized Already? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The Clutch Plate is worn and to re-set the Clutch Lever height, you need it to be unworn. Once the Clutch has been re-set then you can use the old plate if it is still serviceable.(It does say this in the Manual) But it is necessary to use a NEW plate if you are going to re-set the height of the Clutch Levers, this applies to all clutches especially the Dual Clutches fitted to some tractors. You need to check the amount of unworn friction lining that is above the top of the rivets holding it to the Disc.(How much wear is left before it touches the rivets) If the face of the lining is close to the top of the rivets it is better to replace it. If your original clutch plate is the one that was fitted when the tractor was new, then it will be to the correct specification, if your replacement Clutch Plate is non-genuine then obviously there will be a difference because it is a different manufacturer and not warranted to be correct by MF. If you get a genuine one from Massey-Ferguson it will be guaranteed to be to the correct specification. If the Plate you have removed is only worn a small amount like you say then the linings must be harder and of good quality, I wonder what the re-placement Plate will be?...John(UK)...fergusontractors@tiscali.co.uk
 
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:33 am    Post subject: Re: It's SAD. The U.S. Govt. has driven Business's away. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Please, this is not a forum for political views. If you wish to display your ignorance publicly, that is your constitutional right, but do it elsewhere.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:33 pm    Post subject: I'm Not sure I understand what your saying. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

You Said:
The Clutch Plate is worn and to re-set the Clutch Lever height, you need it to be unworn.
*Answer* (How does one adjust it when it is Worn then? Canít Clutches can be Adjusted after their Worn Without New Parts?)
Once the Clutch has been re-set then you can use the old plate if it is still serviceable.
*Answer* (Why Not Use the Old Plate to Adjust with if your going to re-use it?)
(It does say this in the Manual) But it is necessary to use a NEW plate if you are going to re-set the height of the Clutch Levers, this applies to all clutches especially the Dual Clutches fitted to some tractors. You need to check the amount of unworn friction lining that is above the top of the rivets holding it to the Disc.
*Answer* (I Mentioned that my OLD Clutch was at 3/32nd. & The NEW Plate was at 2/32nd. Already.) (How much wear is left before it touches the rivets) If the face of the lining is close to the top of the rivets it is better to replace it. If your original clutch plate is the one that was fitted when the tractor was new, then it will be to the correct specification, if your replacement Clutch Plate is non-genuine then obviously there will be a difference because it is a different manufacturer and not warranted to be correct by MF.
*Answer* (I bought it From Yesterdays Tractor.
It should Be a Factory Part of Correct DImensions Right?) If you get a genuine one from Massey-Ferguson it will be guaranteed to be to the correct specification.
*Answer* ( So I am Not Guaranteed quality Parts Here?) If the Plate you have removed is only worn a small amount like you say then the linings must be harder and of good quality, I wonder what the re-placement Plate will be?
*Answer* (I mentioned it was at 2/32nd. Already when it arrived. What is the Thickness of a new Massy Clutch Disk?) John (UK)...fergusontractors@tiscali.co.uk
 
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:58 pm    Post subject: LOL. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Do you see how you told me I have a right to say something, but somewhere else, yet you utilize that same right to try to deny me mine, while giving your View?
Your must be a retired Farmer or a Democrat?
PS: Locate any Foreign Company that has Better Quality Bolts than an American Bolt Manufacturer?
By the Way- The Manufacturer I bought from is CAT. American Made With American Quality, and my Money will Stay in America.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:51 pm    Post subject: Re: LOL. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Bully for you.
Those of us outside your glorious country don't really care.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:22 am    Post subject: Re: I'm Not sure I understand what your saying. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

1 You need an unworn clutch plate to set it back to standard as you need the correct thickness of the Plate as it is in unworn state. You can use the old plate once the Clutch has been re-set providing it is not too worn. No-one would fit a badly worn plate. Wear takes place where the Levers pivot, this is difficult to check due to the pressure from the Springs, unless you dismantle the Clutch completely.
2 You need to get the correct amount of movement or separation of the Clutch and you can't do it by setting the Clutch using an old plate
3 You have missed out the previous part to the answer, you need to have a reasonable amount of wear left on the friction material if you intend to re-fit the old Plate for further use. One side of the Plate wears more than the other so check it carefully.
4 If you didn't buy a genuine Plate I don't know who made the plate, but a lot do use them with complete success, but they don't carry the MF warranty, but they carry one from the Plate manufacturer. Being as we don't know the Plate manufacturer, we can't say what the warranty would be, but there will be one.
5 I didn't say that the plate you have is not warranted, as I just don't know what you have. I can only quote the MF spec which is the one recommended to use.
6 It does not give the thickness of the Plate in the Service manual and I don't have a plate that I can measure.
When I said about how much wear is left in the old plate, that was how much wear is left in the old plate before the linings are worn down to the rivets and is no longer serviceable.
Most of the Clutches used on these tractors can be adjusted for wear, but there is at least one type that you can't. The adjustment will be on each Lever and will be a slotted screw with a locknut usually. When the Service Engineers are setting the Clutches, they don't use a Plate on the setting jig, they use metal spacers, so that there is no variation and all settings will be the same, But being without the correct tool, you use a new Clutch Plate instead which is perfectly satisfactory. While the Plate you have seems not to be of the correct dimensions, you have little alternative here, if as you say the new plate is thinner than the old worn one, I would check the Clutch Levers using the old plate as it is nearer to the correct tolerance than the new Plate in this instance.There is very little movement on the Clutch Levers and as the Plate wears the Levers rise and press on the Thrust Bearing and if not adjusted will cause the Clutch to slip.Because you are fitting a thinner Plate, the Lever adjustment will need checking or the Levers could be too high.If the Levers are not set correctly, they could travel down-wards too far as you press the pedal and hit the Plate and bend or break them off.John(UK)...fergusontractors@hotmail.com
 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:29 am    Post subject: Re: My New Replacement Clutch Undersized Already? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I see you are not one of the 47%..who will not be represented should the foot in mouth win..
 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:35 pm    Post subject: Re: My New Replacement Clutch Undersized Already? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Well from my experiences with clutches in both cars and tractors...usually the aftermarket ones are never as good as oem. Usually the aftermarket clutch discs are thinner than oem. Will they work?...yes, but will they last like oem? No. It"s like everything else...it"s cheaper for a reason. With that being said if you aren"t working the tractor everyday or anything then you will probably be fine...but if it does get used a lot I would probably pay the extra for an oem clutch but I don"t like splitting tractors either. The original clutch in our 165 lasted until 1985. The dealer put an aftermarket one in and it lasted 6 months. Then he put a genuine Massey clutch in and it is still in there to this day. I measured an oem and an aftermarket clutch once for something else and there was like .060 difference in the clutch disc thickness. I may get blasted for this but I am a strong advocate for having flywheels surfaced when putting a clutch in. It will be smoother and last longer if it is done but I know a lot of people don"t have it done.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: LOL. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Are you One of those We were After During the War and Missed, Or are you One of those "WE" Saved from Destruction?
Excuse me while I go outside and Practice My 2nd. Amendment Rights of Self Protection on our Gun Range.
What"s that you say?. You Don"t have those Rights? LOLOLOL.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:19 pm    Post subject: That's why I'm returning My New Clutch Disk From here. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I bougth a New Disk from Yesterdays Tractor, & It"s Junk compared to my Original. I do NOT understand how the people have become so Complacent. It"s common practice now for others to keep their mouth shut while buying JUNK! Most have no Choice as we have to buy what"s available, but I"m tired of buying anything that isn"t worth a Damb.
China Sells us Poison in our Pet food,in our Toys and thier Products are Junk, yet people keep their mouth shut for fear they might Upset someone?. Oh Well.
If the Truth Hurts-So Be It, and Man Up!
 
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