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Eldo case
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 Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:11 am Post subject: 164 engine |
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Has anyone ever removed the sleeves on a 164 and used the block for the cylinder? Are they thick enough to bore a little? Just doing some thinking, Thanks for the help! You know how idle mines do!
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rdrash
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:27 am Post subject: Re: 164 engine |
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Hmmm very interesting question. I would imagine it would be cheaper to fix what you have by new sleeves but if you are building a puller that might be worth looking into.
Trevor
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longcases
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: 164 engine |
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Pull the sleeves and take the block to a competent performance machine shop and have them sonic check the cylinder walls for thickness.Don't want any thing under .125 thousands.
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george md
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: 164 engine |
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I have heard that some 164 engines have sleeves,
but all the ones I have seen are bored block
with no sleeves. Maybe you have a block that has
been sleeved to get back to std bore.
george
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Eldo case
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:22 am Post subject: Re: 164 engine |
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FYI all 164 engines have dry sleeves.
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John Saeli
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:50 am Post subject: Re: 164 engine |
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CASE built replacement blocks after 1960 that did have wet sleeves. Never seen one, can't find info on them, only sworn testimonials by those in the know.
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Case Nutty 1660
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:38 am Post subject: Re: 164 engine |
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John weren't those 159 replacements I have heard about?? cnt
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John Saeli
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:14 am Post subject: Re: 164 engine |
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Could be, but never heard that before.
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Joe Young
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: 164 engine |
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Tom
No they were actually 164 CI wet sleeve replacements. Case Service Bulletin 68-61 published on 10/24/61 titled "Short Block Assemblies Furnished by Rock Island Works" listed all engines by part number. The list indicated the 164 dry sleeve engine was discontinued but it listed a 164 ci wet sleeve along with the 148 ci, 159 ci and 188 ci variants. I have a copy if the bulletin around here somewhere but can put my fingers on it...
I have a 164 ci wet sleeve block that was part of a salvaged 611B I bought a couple of years ago.
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rdrash
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| Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: 164 engine |
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I could be wrong but I think you r both right. Case built a wet sleeve g164 to replace the original motors that were failing and what I heard was when that supply ran out they modified g159s to fit on the 500b and 600b tractors. And that is what I have. A g159 that has a 2 bolt starter and a head off a g164 on a 510b. With numbers on the block that don't match anything as far as what tractor it came off.
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