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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:11 am    Post subject: 164 engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Has anyone ever removed the sleeves on a 164 and used the block for the cylinder? Are they thick enough to bore a little? Just doing some thinking, Thanks for the help! You know how idle mines do!
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:27 am    Post subject: Re: 164 engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hmmm very interesting question. I would imagine it would be cheaper to fix what you have by new sleeves but if you are building a puller that might be worth looking into.

Trevor
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:11 pm    Post subject: Re: 164 engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Pull the sleeves and take the block to a competent performance machine shop and have them sonic check the cylinder walls for thickness.Don't want any thing under .125 thousands.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:52 pm    Post subject: Re: 164 engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote


I have heard that some 164 engines have sleeves,
but all the ones I have seen are bored block
with no sleeves. Maybe you have a block that has
been sleeved to get back to std bore.

george
 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:22 am    Post subject: Re: 164 engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

FYI all 164 engines have dry sleeves.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:50 am    Post subject: Re: 164 engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

CASE built replacement blocks after 1960 that did have wet sleeves. Never seen one, can't find info on them, only sworn testimonials by those in the know.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:38 am    Post subject: Re: 164 engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

John weren't those 159 replacements I have heard about?? cnt
 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:14 am    Post subject: Re: 164 engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Could be, but never heard that before.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:09 pm    Post subject: Re: 164 engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Tom

No they were actually 164 CI wet sleeve replacements. Case Service Bulletin 68-61 published on 10/24/61 titled "Short Block Assemblies Furnished by Rock Island Works" listed all engines by part number. The list indicated the 164 dry sleeve engine was discontinued but it listed a 164 ci wet sleeve along with the 148 ci, 159 ci and 188 ci variants. I have a copy if the bulletin around here somewhere but can put my fingers on it...

I have a 164 ci wet sleeve block that was part of a salvaged 611B I bought a couple of years ago.
 


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:36 pm    Post subject: Re: 164 engine Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I could be wrong but I think you r both right. Case built a wet sleeve g164 to replace the original motors that were failing and what I heard was when that supply ran out they modified g159s to fit on the 500b and 600b tractors. And that is what I have. A g159 that has a 2 bolt starter and a head off a g164 on a 510b. With numbers on the block that don't match anything as far as what tractor it came off.
 
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