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Richard Hare
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:45 pm    Post subject: Binder update. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

This is an update on the old McCormick-Deering binder I was working on last winter.

It was made it seems in about 1923 -25.
For the last 60 years or so, it has sat in the bush at the side of a field, and had slowly sunk into the ground.
The platform and cutter -bar were 4" underground.
Dug it up and pulled it into the yard to see if it was fixable.
Although this was the oldest binder of the four sitting there, it looked in the best condition. The others were later enclosed gear or PTO types, but were more mashed up, with a tree falling on one of them.
It seems this one Wanted to be brought back to life. Nearly all the nuts undid quite easily after a shot of WD-40, and after a wire brushing nuts could be screwed back on with the fingers.

Some parts were pretty well rusted up, and these needed some heat and hammering /prying to get them working.
The knotters held out the longest, as I didn't want to hit them!
Anyway, in time they freed up, and I tripped the mechanism a couple of times and it tied both times!

Nearly all the wood needed replacing, except two top rollers, that just needed a splice to fill in where they had rotted.
It was a bit like a archaeological dig at times, as I had to figure what the wood looked like by the stains on the metal!
Anyway, I got all the wooden bits made in time, including four rollers. These I turned out of larch or poplar, and had them drilled for the stub shafts at a local machine shop.
I was worried about the poplar, but it worked very well and seems like it will be fine for the small acerage I plan on doing.
Canvases I got from Norm Macknair (Thank You!)and they were a very good fit, and nothing needed further squaring for them to run true.
We were going to cut some wheat with it, but hail had chopped it down pretty well, so did a patch of oats instead.
For a start, it was ramming far too much material into the bundle/sheaf before it attempted to tie, but after a few adjstments and getting the twine disc and tension right it, tied very well,
It's an 8-foot ground drive, but was no problem at all, the knife ran smooth and didn't get blocked at all, even in a heavy layed patch with second growth.
I had been warned that ground drive was a bad idea, but for the small patch I want to do, (4 or 5 acres) it worked better than I could have wished!
The crop wasn't that heavy, as it too had been hailed, but going by what I combined, it produced about 75-80 bushels an acre.
For some reason I got a lot out of gettint this old machine running again...very satisfying.
Please pardon the long post.

Here is a pic or two;
Richard.





 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Binder update. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Just another pic. or two of how it was in the bush after I'd jacked it up out tof the ground.
I changed the platform, with a 'newer' one that wasn't all holes in the tin.
One pic of crop it cut...


 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Binder update. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

That looks very very nice, great job. Brings back many memories of hours an' hours sitting on a allis ca pulling one like that in the dust, rust and shaff. Thanks for the Pic's !!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Binder update. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Really nice pics. I would not have the patients for a job like that I don't think.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Binder update. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

We had one just like that, dad converted it to PTO drive and later used it to swath oats flax and barley. it must have been a labor of love.
congratulations.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 12:39 am    Post subject: Re: Binder update. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Never saw a binder with the twine box on the front. One of my "jobs" was to put the twine in the box on the back of the binder whenever more twine was needed.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:23 am    Post subject: Re: Binder update. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hi Dick2,

It seems that these McCormick -Deering binders had a type 'D" (for Deering) or a type 'M' (McCormick)binding attachment, and the type 'D' had the twine box up front.
I thought for a start this was just in Canada, but when I got a manual from IH, this is how it shows it.

Re. Twine;
I purchased mine from NYP Corporation, and although it was in smaller balls than originally, (5 lbs per ball) it was lovely stuff and very high quality.
I thought getting good twine might be hard, but this stuff is all you could ask for.
Living up in Canada made shipping expensive. (Got a bale of 10 balls) but I only used a couple of balls so will last a while.

Best,
R.
BTW,
Here is a pic. of the crop it cut, if it comes out this time!!

 
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:30 am    Post subject: Re: Binder update. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Glad you like the pics, Dan!
 
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:35 am    Post subject: Re: Binder update. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Al,

Suppose it Was a labour of love!

I should have added that Leroy here got me the bearings I needed from an Amish machine shop...Very nice quality and he has them all in stock.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:01 am    Post subject: Re: Binder update. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Nice Job!
 
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:00 am    Post subject: Re: Binder update. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

NICE JOB!!

As far as the twine, you can find binder twine if you check enough farm supply outlets. Last summer, we just hung a 5 gallon bucket off the back of the binder, used 1600 baler twine. One of my friends pays an Amish to rewind 1600 baler twine into smaller balls. Seems like extra work to me.

We raise a field of oats to take to our local steam show for thrashing. Now pretty experienced with binder operation......
 
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:00 am    Post subject: Re: Binder update. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Boy that looks NICE! You sure did a good job on it. I have one if you want to do another, just kidding :>
 
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 4:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Binder update. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Remember being up there in northern Alberta, Canada it would be a lot different to find things than it is in Michigan. And the reason I got him the bearings is I could handle things to get through customs where the Amish man that made the bearings did not have the ability to do that.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:42 am    Post subject: Re: Binder update. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Hi Greg,

I'd Like to do another one, but can't think of a good enough reason!
I wish there was a market for things like this, as I get a lot out of it.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:45 am    Post subject: Re: Binder update. Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Thanks again for getting me the parts, Leroy.
Hope all is well with you!
 
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