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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:21 pm    Post subject: what is this anyone have any idea? binder? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Has international harvester and deering on cover? any info appreciated

 


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:11 pm    Post subject: Re: what is this anyone have any idea? binder? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

We need a pic!!With that description,it be a
mower,binder,planter, or anything.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: what is this anyone have any idea? binder? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

DeltaRed wrote:
(quoted from post at 16:11:47 10/09/12) We need a pic!!With that description,it be a
mower,binder,planter, or anything.


I'm working on pic
 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:46 pm    Post subject: Re: what is this anyone have any idea? binder? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Definatly a grain binder, might be like the one Richard Hare just posted pictures of that he just redid and I understand it looked that bad.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:18 pm    Post subject: Re: what is this anyone have any idea? binder? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

We have a couple of old binders like that out back. Its confusing to
look at them as they have wheels to tow them the narrow way but
work in the field 90 deg to the towing direction. Right back to the
old tech on new combines. Header carts being towed sideways and
drapers.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:01 pm    Post subject: Re: what is this anyone have any idea? binder? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Definitely a grain binder. Missing a bunch f parts, though.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:40 pm    Post subject: Re: what is this anyone have any idea? binder? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

That looks an old one Mll.

Very lucky to find any transport wheels with it!
It's a grain binder as noted by everyone else,and made earlier than mine, sometime after 1902 and Maybe no later than 1908.
(Definately before 1923!)
There is some confusion in my mind re. when they stopped trading as Deering, and started calling them McCormick-Deering. (The merger was 1902, but they kept their individual names for a while)
I found a Deering binding attachment in the bush recently, but this one is a bit more modern, as the one I found is pre-merger.
Seems Massey Harris used a lot of the Deering ideas, inc. the trip arrangement and the reel drive.
Twine can on front, like all the later ones with Deering binding attachments.
It looks do-upable!

Richard.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:25 pm    Post subject: Re: what is this anyone have any idea? binder? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Looks like an old Massey Harris grain binder
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:45 pm    Post subject: Re: what is this anyone have any idea? binder? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I'ts an International binder. They used McCormick-Deering as a brand or model name from 1923 to 1947 according to one source I read. I got almost a twin to it tarped up in the top of my brother's barn. Your's is on steel bull "main" wheel with an "ED" binding attachment,mine has the "EM" binder and the Amish fellow I bought it from put the pneumatic wheels back on. Not a bad deal,he sure hadn't worn them out. Can be one sweet running machine,and I'm not a big International fan.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:49 pm    Post subject: Re: what is this anyone have any idea? binder? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Does it Read: Deering New Idea on the sheet metal above the binding table or doe it read Deering?
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:55 pm    Post subject: Re: what is this anyone have any idea? binder? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Kevin Happke wrote:
(quoted from post at 19:49:57 10/10/12) Does it Read: Deering New Idea on the sheet metal above the binding table or doe it read Deering?

I believe deering what's difference ?
 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:47 am    Post subject: Re: what is this anyone have any idea? binder? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

New Idea and New Ideal are completely different and New Ideal was a company that became part of International Harvestor. The two are in no way related but it seams a lot of people cannot tell the difference in spelling fron idea to ideal.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:32 am    Post subject: Re: what is this anyone have any idea? binder? Reply to specific post Reply with quote

43a,

I don't think this is an "ED" type.
"ED" stands for "Enclosed Gear, Deering binding attachment"
This one being marked Deering seems to have been made prior to the "McCormick Deering" marked machines. (1923 -'47)...and I don't see any enclosed gears.
Plus, on the McCormick-Deerings, they had gone onto a simpler plan for driving the reel.

I still say like in my last post, this is between 1902 and prior to 1923, possibly prior to 1908 as well.
We have two 'ED' machines, (In sad state!) and neither has pneumatic tyres, which it seems were brought out by IH with the PTO drive.

Best,
Richard.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:07 pm    Post subject: Re: what is this anyone have any idea? binder? Reply to specific post Reply with quote



I have a piece of metal from this McCormick deering on it and
would like to know how to remove moss from sitting outside
from metal and how to prep metal to save without damaging
lettering . Piece is from early 1900"s binder. Thanks
 
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:09 pm    Post subject: Re: what is this anyone have any idea? binder? Reply to specific post Reply with quote



I have a piece of metal from this McCormick deering on it and would like to know how to remove moss from sitting outside from metal and how to prep metal to save without damaging lettering . Piece is from early 1900"s binder. Thanks
 
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