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TX Jim. Got Some Backup For Some Credibility


 
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Texasmark1
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:44 pm    Post subject: TX Jim. Got Some Backup For Some Credibility Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Well Sir. I know my claims were maybe far fetched for you, but
here are some pics of facts. The sub soiler that I buried 4 shanks
to 10", the 12' plow that I could pull with my palsley 57 HP PTO
tractor and just for grins I threw in a picture of my calves daddy
at 2 1/2 years old.

The barn is 30' wide and the rears on the tractor are 16.9x34's
spaced at about 6' overall width. I took the pic because I was
through for the season and I was moving the plow to a storage
area. Obviously it is not setup to plow but the pic was not meant
to demonstrate that.

I don't lie man and I don't care one way or the other whether or
not anyone believes me. I made my way and don't have to take a
back seat to anyone for any reason. And as a side note there are
a lot of children that are alive today because of what I did for a
living.....saved their dads!!!!!!

Best Regards,
Mark










 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:05 pm    Post subject: Re: TX Jim. Got Some Backup For Some Credibility Reply to specific post Reply with quote

That"s a purdy nice lookin rig there I wonder if a ripper like that would work to renovate pasture
 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: TX Jim. Got Some Backup For Some Credibility Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Absolutely. That is what I use it for. In the heavy clay here you can't run a moldboard as it just gums up. You have to have a revolving disc.....usually. But the problem with them is that they don't have much ability to penetrate, so you wind up with nothing more than surface scratching unless you make a half dozen trips over the field.

This type of mechanism digs deep and in the process cuts runners on bermuda which makes a new plant out of the otherwise runners. Wait a few days after you use it and come back with a harrow to smooth the tops off and you are good to go. If you did as I did, broadcast fert. and seed before you run the harrow over it. I did and have a nice fall stand of rye and the Bahia seeds have germinated for next years grazing.

There are all kinds of implements that have their specific purpose.

HTH,
Mark
 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:00 am    Post subject: Re: TX Jim. Got Some Backup For Some Credibility Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Mark

That's a very nice looking bull. Your tractor is very nice also.

I stand by my original statement that a 57 pto HP utility type tractor will not/can not pull a 10 ft chisel plow very deep if at all.

On what you call a chisel to me it's a coiled spring cultivator more like a field cultivator than a chisel. I think you'll beak the foot pieces off long before you get the sweeps in untilled soil very deep much less 10"- 12"s. Field cultivators are much easier to pull than a real chisel plow.

Also another misconception I've encountered on plowing depth is the operators inability to accurately measure the actual plowing depth.

I don't recall commenting on your Hay King pasture renovator thread but I think that the 4 shank is the correct size for your tractor's hp. But I think you'll need to raise the colters up a few inches to get the shanks to a 10-12" depth

The right type of disk plow(true disk breaking plow) will penetrate your clay soil.
 


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:46 am    Post subject: Re: TX Jim. Got Some Backup For Some Credibility Reply to specific post Reply with quote

It really is a cultivator, not a breaking plow. As I said initially I
used it on a field that had recently seen steel. Plow may imply
the wrong connotation. Main purpose was to pulverize the soil
and lay down a seed bed.

On the comparison with the JD I made, I did state with this plow
(cultivator), not anything else. Maybe it will help in
understanding what I said if I mentioned that I didn't run the
"cultivator" as fast as was possible. I ran it at a moderate speed
where I got the best soil reaction. The main intent of my
comment was the fact that newer equipment was able to get the
job done, in a fuel efficient manner.

The ripper does sink down to the the yellow brackets above the
black ripper blades if I have been over the ground a previous
trip. I have my 3rd member long enough to tilt it at about a 10
degree angle. That is not apparent in the picture. As I said, on
the first pass the rippers only went about half way down in the
hard, dry clay. On the second pass, making a diamond pattern
in the soil, I was able to get down to the yellow. l took the
picture because it was on the tractor and I had to get it off to
move my cultivator and since there were some discussions about
a ripper before I thought I'd show it.

I have been wanting a picture of my bull to hang on my wall
adjacent to the pic I have of him when I first bought him. So I
got the pic for the wall and since it was part of the other pics on
the camera I thought I'd add it. Thanks for the comment. What's
interesting is that he is from the herd I sold a guy up the road
and when I decided to get a few cows again, he was available.
The guy I bought him from told me that he had him scheduled to
be cut the day after I said I wanted him....just in time.

I added the baler primarily to show where I added the pressure
gauge which told me what you had told me would happen and it
did.

Regards,
Mark
 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:16 am    Post subject: Re: TX Jim. Got Some Backup For Some Credibility Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The "hay King"Tool you show is really a pasture renovator'.Oh,you could try it as a "ripper",you will probably rip it to shreds in hard ground.The JD field cultivator is a secondary tillage tool for working softer plowed ground(Surface work).The one(12') I used to have would make a 706 snort.BTW,what did you do for a liveing?
 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:23 am    Post subject: Re: TX Jim. Got Some Backup For Some Credibility Reply to specific post Reply with quote

The renovator you have is only capable of 4-6 "deep.Those 'colters' will act as "gauge"wheels.Plus,the very design of the frame/attatching points kind of limit depth.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:34 am    Post subject: Re: TX Jim. Got Some Backup For Some Credibility Reply to specific post Reply with quote

This all got started from your statement that "ain't happening" from a previous post that I will quote.
[/quote]My Branson (made in So. Korea, engine by Tohatsu in Japan under Cummins license) diesel, naturally aspired, 4 cyl., 16.5:1. Torque curve peaks at 1600 which happens to be the rpm my 2000D Ford reaches PTO speed. This engine drives a 57 PTO hp 4wd tractor that I can hook to my 12' 14 shank JD chisel with 10" sweeps and 3 rows of fingers, and pull it in mid range gears just like my JD 100 hp 4230 did. Here's the kicker: I can plow the same acreage in the same time on HALF THE FUEL. Maybe that has something to do with the design. Sure has something to do with my wallet.

The PTO is 2500 rpm if at 540, but it has 3 pto positions and each reaches 540 at a lower rpm depending on how much hp you need to do the job.....saves FUEL.HTH,Mark[/quote]

Your 57 pto HP MFWD isn't going to pull a "TRUE" 14 shank chisel faster or as deep as a JD 4230 100 pto HP or any other brand 100 pto HP tractor for half or twice the diesel fuel. Look at the photo as that's an example of a chisel plow

""END OF CONVERSATION""

 


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:37 am    Post subject: Re: TX Jim. Got Some Backup For Some Credibility Reply to specific post Reply with quote

There is 3-4X more pressure on a real chisel plow as pictured, (JD1610) than on the old coil spring standard field cultivator. About all the field cultivator like that will do in hard ground is wear out the points. Its pretty much impossible to get them in ground that isn't mellow already.
They do a good job in mellow soil preparing a seedbed though.
 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:17 pm    Post subject: Re: TX Jim. Got Some Backup For Some Credibility Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Around 'here', a 14 shank chisel is gonna take something in the neighborhood of 180-200 hp....for an American-made tractor; imported stuff may do MUCH better. :<)
 
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: TX Jim. Got Some Backup For Some Credibility Reply to specific post Reply with quote

thurlow wrote:
(quoted from post at 16:17:19 10/19/12) Around 'here', a 14 shank chisel is gonna take something in the neighborhood of 180-200 hp....for an American-made tractor; imported stuff may do MUCH better. :<)


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:09 pm    Post subject: Re: TX Jim. Got Some Backup For Some Credibility Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Here's a real subsoiler. I had to remove 2 of the shanks (made it a 5 shank machine) so our 100 HP 1855 could pull it. Was a very heavy pull, but it worked good and I had it all the way down to the gage wheels where the nieghbors had it set, and they pull it with a 150-200HP tractor. Obviously they can go much faster which does a better job, but I was still heaving the ground up by the front tires when running it.



As far as a chisel plow, we can pull a 7 shank disc-chisel. Nobody around here measures them by the foot. Always by the number of shanks. HOw they're listed in the dealer ads too.

Donovan from Wisconsin
 
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 2:08 am    Post subject: Re: TX Jim. Got Some Backup For Some Credibility Reply to specific post Reply with quote

That is one wicked looking plow.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:09 pm    Post subject: Re: TX Jim. Got Some Backup For Some Credibility Reply to specific post Reply with quote

replace the sweeps on the field cultivator with chisel points raise the gauge wheels and a 140 hp will sit up and pay attention, your type shank can be used for a chisel also,BIL was complaining about the ground being so hard from dry weather that his rig like yours would hardly scratch the ground,we talked him into changing to chisel points ,his jd he was pulling it with was around 140 hp and it knew it was behind it
 
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