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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:10 pm    Post subject: Re: How convert 8n to keyswitch start only Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Just undid mine
 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:04 am    Post subject: Re: How convert 8n to keyswitch start only Reply to specific post Reply with quote

soundguy wrote:
(quoted from post at 11:27:23 10/22/12) pressing clutch to start as a safety?

what if your clutch is stuck = no safety.

oem setup won't start if trans is in gear.

if out of gear and stuck clutch = no problem.

being out of gear at start is the safe feature...



Every new car and truck sold in the US has a clutch safety switch......every one! If the clutch sticks FIX IT! Clutchs on both of my 8N's work as they should so a clutch safety would work fine.

Did you note that I did say that I like the safety interlock on the tranny? Both of mine work as they did from the factory. I have no plans on changing that. I just said it could be done.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:07 am    Post subject: Re: How convert 8n to keyswitch start only Reply to specific post Reply with quote

soundguy wrote:
(quoted from post at 11:27:23 10/22/12) pressing clutch to start as a safety?

what if your clutch is stuck = no safety.

oem setup won't start if trans is in gear.

if out of gear and stuck clutch = no problem.

being out of gear at start is the safe feature...


OH, forgot, note I said a clutch safety COULD be used. I did not give any directions as far as parts needed or wiring to make the conversion. I was just throwing it out there that it could be done.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:25 am    Post subject: Re: How convert 8n to keyswitch start only Reply to specific post Reply with quote

if you walk out to your tractor and set down on it to start it.. you have NO idea if it has had it's clutch setup over the weekend or not.

I've seen it happen.

a clutch safety is not as safe as the trans being in neutral.. no question about it.

if you KNOW it's stuck.. sure you can fix it.. but if you don't know?
 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:41 am    Post subject: Re: How convert 8n to keyswitch start only Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I would not use the key start unless you wired it in WITH the thumb start so you need both to start. Otherwise the thumb start is best.

from personal experience: I remember watching my Grandfather start his Farmall Super A (I have it now) by standing in front of the right rear tire and pulling the start lever to crank the tractor. I also remember watching him shake the shift lever back and forth to insure it was in neutral first. I got a Farmall 140 (very similar) and had pulled the shift cover and moved the gears around to diagnose a problem. I reinstalled the shift cover and had to slide the gears around to get it back on. When I went to start it, I stood in front of the right rear tire, shook the shift lever to make sure it was in neutral, then just before I pulled the start lever, I had a moment of concern and stepped back from in front of the rear tire and pulled the start lever. The tractor cranked and I then had to run after it and climb on it from the back to shut it off since I had inadvertently transposed one of the gears. Neutral was effectively 2nd gear! I am able to walk around and talk about this because I got lucky and moved out from in front of the rear tire. There was no way I would have been able to react to the tractor starting in gear and it would have run me over. I now sit in the seat of my Super A when I want to start it, every time! My 8Ns both have the thumb starts. One of them I replaced the same week of that incident.

As a tractor newbie I started out with a big bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. I moved some luck into experience that day. I just hope hope my bag of luck holds out until I fill my bag of experience.

Jimps in GA.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:21 am    Post subject: Re: How convert 8n to keyswitch start only Reply to specific post Reply with quote

soundguy wrote:
(quoted from post at 10:25:39 10/23/12) if you walk out to your tractor and set down on it to start it.. you have NO idea if it has had it's clutch setup over the weekend or not.

I've seen it happen.

a clutch safety is not as safe as the trans being in neutral.. no question about it.

if you KNOW it's stuck.. sure you can fix it.. but if you don't know?


If really you want it to be safe put a simple seat interlock switch on it Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:03 am    Post subject: Re: How convert 8n to keyswitch start only Reply to specific post Reply with quote

soundguy wrote:
(quoted from post at 07:25:39 10/23/12) if you walk out to your tractor and set down on it to start it.. you have NO idea if it has had it's clutch setup over the weekend or not.

I've seen it happen.

a clutch safety is not as safe as the trans being in neutral.. no question about it.

if you KNOW it's stuck.. sure you can fix it.. but if you don't know?


Well seeing as I've never had that happen, and I always put the tractor in N before hitting the starter anyway. But because I don't know the condition of others peoples stuff I would be the last person to tell you how to convert something over like. I really think Ford had the right idea with putting safeties on the Ns. Again thats why I didn't say how to do it but only that it could be done. I never try starting a tractor unless I'm setting on the seat.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:04 am    Post subject: Re: How convert 8n to keyswitch start only Reply to specific post Reply with quote

Just want to let everyone know we will be wiring it back like it should be. Thanks for all the input.
 
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:13 am    Post subject: Re: How convert 8n to keyswitch start only Reply to specific post Reply with quote

trmccrary wrote:
(quoted from post at 11:04:48 10/23/12) Just want to let everyone know we will be wiring it back like it should be. Thanks for all the input.


+1 Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:32 am    Post subject: Re: How convert 8n to keyswitch start only Reply to specific post Reply with quote

I always press the clutch to start as well, because it's less drag.. however.. you give someone a no safety, key to start system.. and somewhere, somebody is gonna get rund over Wink
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:37 pm    Post subject: Re: How convert 8n to keyswitch start only Reply to specific post Reply with quote

soundguy wrote:
(quoted from post at 10:32:28 10/23/12) I always press the clutch to start as well, because it's less drag.. however.. you give someone a no safety, key to start system.. and somewhere, somebody is gonna get rund over Wink



LOL almost no tractors prior to the 60's had any type of stater safety system. In fact almost all of the folks that I've read about getting run over by a tractor was dumb stuff like getting on and off while the tractor was moving or jumping from a tractor that lost brakes or seemed about to roll. I've heard about one guy who got run over while starting a tractor while standing in front of the rear tire and hitting the starter.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:10 pm    Post subject: Re: How convert 8n to keyswitch start only Reply to specific post Reply with quote

oldtanker wrote:
(quoted from post at 23:37:14 10/24/12)
soundguy wrote:
(quoted from post at 10:32:28 10/23/12) I always press the clutch to start as well, because it's less drag.. however.. you give someone a no safety, key to start system.. and somewhere, somebody is gonna get rund over Wink



LOL almost no tractors prior to the 60's had any type of stater safety system. In fact almost all of the folks that I've read about getting run over by a tractor was dumb stuff like getting on and off while the tractor was moving or jumping from a tractor that lost brakes or seemed about to roll. I've heard about one guy who got run over while starting a tractor while standing in front of the rear tire and hitting the starter.

Rick

I was thinking about my JD, AC's and Farmall's, they don't have "neutral safety" interlocks.
Then again, they don't have key start switches either.
They have foot switches, or pull/push levers meant to be operated from the seat.
Still seems to me they're all safer left as and operated as designed.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:52 am    Post subject: Re: How convert 8n to keyswitch start only Reply to specific post Reply with quote

trmccrary wrote:
(quoted from post at 21:59:51 10/21/12) Does anyone have a diagram of how to make 8n start by turning key on instead of push putton? My dad has it wired but it burns the switch up. Its a 3 wire alt. Its a 52 side mout dist. Thanks


just my preference, but, whatever way the factory
had it on any brand tractor is how I leave it.
they probably had their reasons.

with that said, I start all brands, sizes, by standing next to them.
not recommended, but old habits are hard to break.
start it, let it warm up a bit, then use it

BUT, I always have it in neutral and the clutch dis-engaged.
(pull the lever, block of wood, etc.)
And SOP is to leave the mag grounded, or
switch off, for just a starter bump, or crank/flywheel twist
to help prime the cylinders.
If it nudges me, somethings wrong........
working on old unknown junk in the shop. one rear gets jacked up
before cranking.
I don't worry about myself
but I don't want it wrecking the shop.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:33 am    Post subject: Re: How convert 8n to keyswitch start only Reply to specific post Reply with quote

i remember mowing on my IH cub ( 66 model, 12v ) one day. I ran out of gas and she rolled to a stop.. i turned her off, and walked.. got gas.. fueld her, got back on, and without thinkin gmuch turned her on and hit the starter. had left her in gear and pto engaged.. normally she takes 3-4 revs and some choke to start. this time started on half a rev and no choke and i was 'mowing' before i knew it. glad I wasn't at the end of a row or up against a fence.

The safety start ont he ford spoiled me!
 
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:53 pm    Post subject: Re: How convert 8n to keyswitch start only Reply to specific post Reply with quote

can someone give me a good diagram for a three wire alt. side starter
 
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